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== Updates needed ==
 
== Updates needed ==
 
Something I missed out when creating the MOS page, so now I need someone to coordinate and finalize the layout of the weapon and mice info boxes as needed. For example, order of loot, order of locations, order of bait preference, guideline on point and gold values etc. Basically a further clarification of the data that should and should not be in the info boxes, as well as how it can be best displayed in a uniform layout. Thanks in advance to whoever takes it up. If not, I will proceed with it on my own time, but probably only somewhere around late May 2009. -- [[User:Grexx|Grexx]] 15:24, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 
Something I missed out when creating the MOS page, so now I need someone to coordinate and finalize the layout of the weapon and mice info boxes as needed. For example, order of loot, order of locations, order of bait preference, guideline on point and gold values etc. Basically a further clarification of the data that should and should not be in the info boxes, as well as how it can be best displayed in a uniform layout. Thanks in advance to whoever takes it up. If not, I will proceed with it on my own time, but probably only somewhere around late May 2009. -- [[User:Grexx|Grexx]] 15:24, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
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== Multi-item Recipe Pricing ==
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Per the forum, there are a lot of people confused by the fact that recipes list per-item prices.  What would you think about updating the manual of style to add ''each'' to make it obvious that we are listing the per-item price?  For example:
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=== Formula ===
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{| width=350px cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1" style="margin:0 20px 20px 20px; text-align:left; border-collapse:collapse; text-align:center;"
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! colspan=3 | Formula: Dehydration Base
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|-
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! align="left" | Description !! Qty !! Cost (Each)
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|-
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| align="left" | [[Dehydration Base Blueprints]] || 1 || 22,330
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|-
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| align="left" | [[Splintered Wood]] || 4 || title="0 – 600 total" | 150 / ''Loot''
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|-
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| align="left" | [[Salt]] || 213 || title="1,278 total" | 6
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|-
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! colspan=2 | Total || 23,608 – 24,208
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|}
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--&nbsp;<span style="border:2px ridge #aaf;padding:1px 8px;font:normal 10px Verdana,sans-serif;">[[User:Ericb|ericb]]&nbsp;<sup style='margin-right:-11px'>[[User_talk:Ericb|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Ericb|contr]]</sub></span> 14:29, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
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:I'm willing to tackle the necessary edits, if I get consensus --&nbsp;<span style="border:2px ridge #aaf;padding:1px 8px;font:normal 10px Verdana,sans-serif;">[[User:Ericb|ericb]]&nbsp;<sup style='margin-right:-11px'>[[User_talk:Ericb|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Ericb|contr]]</sub></span> 15:28, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
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::I'm all for it, although, I've put a very slight modification to the Salt total box to show the total cost upon hovering the mouse cursor above the table cell. Any thoughts on that one? [[User:Draobyek|Draobyek]] 10:45, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
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:::I like it! I had no idea you could do that.  Does using a title with a range for items like splintered wood make sense? --&nbsp;<span style="border:2px ridge #aaf;padding:1px 8px;font:normal 10px Verdana,sans-serif;">[[User:Ericb|ericb]]&nbsp;<sup style='margin-right:-11px'>[[User_talk:Ericb|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Ericb|contr]]</sub></span> 17:00, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
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::::I wasn't so sure about that, but it'll probably help for those who take the quicker route and purchase everything. [[User:Draobyek|Draobyek]] 10:35, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
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::I like the clarification that the cost is per item. I'm not wild about the tooltip for the total amount. If we want to provide that information, that's okay, but not as a tooltip, but in some other more obvious way, like a separate column or something. -- [[User:Camomiletea|camomiletea]] 05:06, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
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== Updating the formula box style ==
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Right now, we have:
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{| width=350px cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1" style="margin:0 20px 20px 20px; text-align:left; border-collapse:collapse; text-align:center;"
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! colspan=3 | Formula: {{MHrecipe|ambush_trap|Ambush Trap}}
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|-
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! align="left" | Description !! Qty !! Cost (Each)
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|-
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| align="left" | [[Ambush Trap Blueprints]] || 1 || ''Loot''
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|-
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| align="left" | [[Master's Seal]] || 1 || ''Loot / Crafting''
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|-
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| align="left" | [[Rice Paper]] || 3 || title="660 total" | 220
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|-
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| align="left" | [[Splintered Wood]] || 5 || title="0 – 750 total" | 150 / ''Loot''
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|-
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| align="left" | [[Droid Parts]] || 8 || title="62,000 total" | 7,750
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|-
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! colspan="2" | Total || 62,660+
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|}
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One idea for improving things is:
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{| width=450px cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1" style="margin:0 20px 20px 20px; text-align:left; border-collapse:collapse; text-align:center;"
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! colspan=4 | Formula: {{MHrecipe|ambush_trap|Ambush Trap}}
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|-
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! align="left" | Description !! Qty !! Cost (Each) !! Source
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|-
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| align="left" | [[Ambush Trap Blueprints]] || 1 || ''Loot'' || [[Assassin Mouse]] and [[Worker Mouse]] in [[Dojo]] and [[Hapless Mouse]] in [[Meditation Room]] and [[Pinnacle Chamber]]
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|-
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| align="left" | [[Master's Seal]] || 1 || ''Loot / Crafting'' || [[Dojo Sensei]] in [[Pinnacle Chamber]] or by combining 1 each of [[Master Belt Shard]], [[Master Claw Shard]]. [[Master Fang Shard]]
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|-
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| align="left" | [[Rice Paper]] || 3 || title="660 total" | 220 || [[General Store#Training Grounds General Store|Training Grounds GS]]
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|-
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| align="left" | [[Splintered Wood]] || 5 || title="0 – 750 total" | 150 / ''Loot'' || [[General Store#Training Grounds General Store|Training Grounds GS]] and as loot from a variety of mice throughout the Kingdom
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|-
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| align="left" | [[Droid Parts]] || 8 || title="62,000 total" | 7,750 || [[General Store#Bazaar General Store|Bazaar GS]]
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|-
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! colspan="2" | Total || 62,660+ || bgcolor="#dddddd"|
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|}
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But that's too narrow, the cost column now feels a bit redundant with the source column, and it still leaves out one other piece of information: what [[Recipe Task|tasks]] will unlock the recipe.
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How about:
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{| width=600px cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1" style="margin:0 20px 20px 20px; text-align:left; border-collapse:collapse; text-align:center;"
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! colspan=4 | Formula: {{MHrecipe|ambush_trap|Ambush Trap}}
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|-
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! Item !! Source !! Qty !! Cost (Each)
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|-
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| align="left" | [[Ambush Trap Blueprints]] ||
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* [[Assassin]] and [[Worker]] in [[Dojo]]<br/>
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* [[Hapless]] in [[Meditation Room]] and [[Pinnacle Chamber]]
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| 1 || ''Loot''
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|-
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| align="left" | [[Master's Seal]] ||
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* [[Dojo Sensei]] in [[Pinnacle Chamber]]
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* crafting from [[Master Belt Shard]], [[Master Claw Shard]]. [[Master Fang Shard]]
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| 1 || ''Loot / Crafting''
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|-
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| align="left" | [[Rice Paper]] ||
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* [[General Store#Training Grounds General Store|Training Grounds GS]]
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| 3 || title="660 total" | 220
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|-
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| align="left" | [[Splintered Wood]] ||
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* [[General Store#Training Grounds General Store|Training Grounds GS]]
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* [[Gift of the Day]]
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* [[Treant]] in [[Calm Clearing]]
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| 5 || title="0 – 750 total" | 150 / ''Loot''
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|-
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| align="left" | [[Droid Parts]] ||
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* [[General Store#Bazaar General Store|Bazaar GS]]
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| 8 || title="62,000 total" | 7,750
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|-
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! Unlock via:
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| Complete all of these:
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* Catch [[Master of the Cheese Belt]]
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* Catch [[Master of the Cheese Claw]]
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* Catch [[Master of the Cheese Fang]]
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! Total || 62,660+
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|}
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--&nbsp;<span style="border:2px ridge #aaf;padding:1px 8px;font:normal 10px Verdana,sans-serif;">[[User:Ericb|ericb]]&nbsp;<sup style='margin-right:-11px'>[[User_talk:Ericb|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Ericb|contr]]</sub></span> 12:31, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
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How about this:
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{| width=600px cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1" style="margin:0 20px 20px 20px; text-align:left; border-collapse:collapse; text-align:center;"
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! colspan=4 | Formula: {{MHrecipe|ambush_trap|Ambush Trap}}
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|-
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! align="left" | Description !! Qty !! Cost (Each) !! Source
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|-
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| align="left" | [[Ambush Trap Blueprints]] || 1 || ''Loot'' || [[Assassin Mouse]] and [[Worker Mouse]] in [[Dojo]] and [[Hapless Mouse]] in [[Meditation Room]] and [[Pinnacle Chamber]]
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|-
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| align="left" | [[Master's Seal]] || 1 || ''Loot / Crafting'' || [[Dojo Sensei]] in [[Pinnacle Chamber]] or by combining 1 each of [[Master Belt Shard]], [[Master Claw Shard]]. [[Master Fang Shard]]
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|-
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| align="left" | [[Rice Paper]] || 3 || title="660 total" | 220 || [[General Store#Training Grounds General Store|Training Grounds GS]]
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|-
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| align="left" | [[Splintered Wood]] || 5 || title="0 – 750 total" | 150 / ''Loot'' || [[General Store#Training Grounds General Store|Training Grounds GS]] and as loot from a variety of mice throughout the Kingdom
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|-
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| align="left" | [[Droid Parts]] || 8 || title="62,000 total" | 7,750 || [[General Store#Bazaar General Store|Bazaar GS]]
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|-
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! colspan="2" | Total || 62,660+ || bgcolor="#dddddd"|
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|}
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Or how about this:
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{| width=600px cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1" style="margin:0 20px 20px 20px; text-align:left; border-collapse:collapse; text-align:center;"
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! colspan=4 | Formula: {{MHrecipe|ambush_trap|Ambush Trap}}
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|-
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! colspan=2 | Recipe can be unlocked by:
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| colspan=2 | Complete all of these:<br/>Catch [[Master of the Cheese Belt]]<br/>Catch [[Master of the Cheese Claw]]<br/>Catch [[Master of the Cheese Fang]]
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|-
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! align="left" | Item !! Qty !! Cost (Each) !! Source
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|-
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| align="left" | [[Ambush Trap Blueprints]] || 1 || ''Loot'' || [[Assassin Mouse]] and [[Worker Mouse]] in [[Dojo]] and [[Hapless Mouse]] in [[Meditation Room]] and [[Pinnacle Chamber]]
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|-
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| align="left" | [[Master's Seal]] || 1 || ''Loot / Crafting'' || [[Dojo Sensei]] in [[Pinnacle Chamber]] or by combining 1 each of [[Master Belt Shard]], [[Master Claw Shard]]. [[Master Fang Shard]]
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|-
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| align="left" | [[Rice Paper]] || 3 || title="660 total" | 220 || [[General Store#Training Grounds General Store|Training Grounds GS]]
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|-
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| align="left" | [[Splintered Wood]] || 5 || title="0 – 750 total" | 150 / ''Loot'' || [[General Store#Training Grounds General Store|Training Grounds GS]] and as loot from a variety of mice throughout the Kingdom
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|-
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| align="left" | [[Droid Parts]] || 8 || title="62,000 total" | 7,750 || [[General Store#Bazaar General Store|Bazaar GS]]
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|-
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! colspan="2" | Total || 62,660+ || bgcolor="#dddddd"|
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|}
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--[[User:TW George|TW George]] 14:03, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
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=== Transclusion of item source ===
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By placing the source of an item into a page, we can easily transclude this piece of information in multiple places. Makes maintenance much easier and avoid human error (typos, inconsistencies etc).
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For those who are not very familiar with this, all you need to do is put some information in a page: it can be anywhere. For example, by adding some content to [[User:Bencmq/sandbox]], and using the syntax <code><nowiki>{{User:Bencmq/sandbox}}</nowiki></code>, it would produce the following: [link removed --[[User:Bencmq|Bencmq]] 18:06, 28 June 2014 (UTC)] quoting directly from my user sandbox page.
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Maybe a few different ways we can organise this.
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# Place the source of splintered wood at [[Template:Source/Splintered Wood]], to use, syntax is <nowiki>{{Source/Splintered Wood}}</nowiki>
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# Place the source of splintered wood at <nowiki>[[Template:Splintered Wood/source]]</nowiki>, same usage
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# Or, instead we can place them under the article, so for example <nowiki>[[Splintered Wood/source]]</nowiki>. However this would not be recognised as a subpage of [[Splintered Wood]], and the syntax would be <nowiki>{{:Splintered Wood/source}}</nowiki>, note the extra colon needed. So I would suggest agains this.
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:I'd suggest the first one--[[User:Bencmq|Bencmq]] 16:17, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
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::I also like the Template:Source/Item naming convention. --&nbsp;<span style="border:2px ridge #aaf;padding:1px 8px;font:normal 10px Verdana,sans-serif;">[[User:Ericb|ericb]]&nbsp;<sup style='margin-right:-11px'>[[User_talk:Ericb|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Ericb|contr]]</sub></span> 16:49, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 12:51, 3 August 2015

Changes to the page

Any major changes to the page must be made by consensus. Changes made without discussion will automatically be reverted. However, minor touch-up to the formatting and such is fine. In any case, please post the changes or proposed changes here. Don't forget to also update the whole list of related articles. -- Grexx 18:38, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

  • Added simple sorting instructions to the Weapons and Base tables. -- Grexx 17:49, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
  • Clarified the requirement of Location Bait Preference by adding its own subsection into the guide. -- Grexx 17:03, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Outstanding Issues

Have yet to decide on the default sorting layout for the tables. Candidates are:

  1. Alphabetic order
  2. Power Type order
  3. Natural Encounter order

Currently a brief discussion is taking place on User:M.'s talk page here: User talk:M.#Weapon Tables, although it should probably be in the Traps talk page. A discussion has been concluded on a similar issue here: Talk:Traps#Trap Order. -- Grexx 17:49, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

I was supposed to comment on that, but I got the "Edit Conflict" message. I prefer the alphabetical order by the way. I think it's always better to sort it by the first column, which in most cases is always the name. By the way, I'll probably start doing the Bases and Weapons pages tomorrow. I made a script that automatically makes tables based on statistics I input. Makes my life easier. :D --Mikeyco 17:54, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
Ah edit conflict is due basically to someone posting faster than you starting on the same line. All you need to do is edit the article again and copy and paste your text. Conflicts on main articles is another issue, but rarely happens since the wiki software recognizes individual lines rather than entire articles.
Anyways, I'm sure you've figured out how the statistics work by now hence the scripting, but if you need to double check anything, you can look at M.'s sandbox: User:M./sandbox and also Peter888's sandbox: User:Peter888/Sandbox -- Grexx 18:17, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
I like the alphabetical order. -- Camomiletea 19:43, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

We'll stick with the alphabetical order as discussed. For sortable tables, don't forget to include a quick intro on how to sort for those unfamiliar with it. -- Grexx 19:48, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Weapon Table - layout suggestion

I implemented the requests from Grexx and tweaked the physical tables on my playground and would like to have some feedback now, please.... _____m. 00:09, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Every attribute will need it's own header. While it might look clean, not every player can instantly connect that it is the basic power. Additionally, for any final changes, do try to keep both the weapon and base tables synchronized, since they are essentially the same information but flipped around. This will make it easy for players to connect the 2 types of tables together. As for the whether the column should be in there, you'll need to consider what the table is used for. Personally I use them to do comparisons on the combined stats so I'm not really bothered with that column as long as the numbers are correct :) -- Grexx 01:58, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Updates needed

Something I missed out when creating the MOS page, so now I need someone to coordinate and finalize the layout of the weapon and mice info boxes as needed. For example, order of loot, order of locations, order of bait preference, guideline on point and gold values etc. Basically a further clarification of the data that should and should not be in the info boxes, as well as how it can be best displayed in a uniform layout. Thanks in advance to whoever takes it up. If not, I will proceed with it on my own time, but probably only somewhere around late May 2009. -- Grexx 15:24, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Multi-item Recipe Pricing

Per the forum, there are a lot of people confused by the fact that recipes list per-item prices. What would you think about updating the manual of style to add each to make it obvious that we are listing the per-item price? For example:

Formula

Formula: Dehydration Base
Description Qty Cost (Each)
Dehydration Base Blueprints 1 22,330
Splintered Wood 4 150 / Loot
Salt 213 6
Total 23,608 – 24,208

-- ericb talkcontr 14:29, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

I'm willing to tackle the necessary edits, if I get consensus -- ericb talkcontr 15:28, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
I'm all for it, although, I've put a very slight modification to the Salt total box to show the total cost upon hovering the mouse cursor above the table cell. Any thoughts on that one? Draobyek 10:45, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
I like it! I had no idea you could do that. Does using a title with a range for items like splintered wood make sense? -- ericb talkcontr 17:00, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
I wasn't so sure about that, but it'll probably help for those who take the quicker route and purchase everything. Draobyek 10:35, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
I like the clarification that the cost is per item. I'm not wild about the tooltip for the total amount. If we want to provide that information, that's okay, but not as a tooltip, but in some other more obvious way, like a separate column or something. -- camomiletea 05:06, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Updating the formula box style

Right now, we have:

Formula: Ambush Trap
Description Qty Cost (Each)
Ambush Trap Blueprints 1 Loot
Master's Seal 1 Loot / Crafting
Rice Paper 3 220
Splintered Wood 5 150 / Loot
Droid Parts 8 7,750
Total 62,660+

One idea for improving things is:

Formula: Ambush Trap
Description Qty Cost (Each) Source
Ambush Trap Blueprints 1 Loot Assassin Mouse and Worker Mouse in Dojo and Hapless Mouse in Meditation Room and Pinnacle Chamber
Master's Seal 1 Loot / Crafting Dojo Sensei in Pinnacle Chamber or by combining 1 each of Master Belt Shard, Master Claw Shard. Master Fang Shard
Rice Paper 3 220 Training Grounds GS
Splintered Wood 5 150 / Loot Training Grounds GS and as loot from a variety of mice throughout the Kingdom
Droid Parts 8 7,750 Bazaar GS
Total 62,660+

But that's too narrow, the cost column now feels a bit redundant with the source column, and it still leaves out one other piece of information: what tasks will unlock the recipe.

How about:

Formula: Ambush Trap
Item Source Qty Cost (Each)
Ambush Trap Blueprints 1 Loot
Master's Seal 1 Loot / Crafting
Rice Paper 3 220
Splintered Wood 5 150 / Loot
Droid Parts 8 7,750
Unlock via: Complete all of these: Total 62,660+

-- ericb talkcontr 12:31, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

How about this:

Formula: Ambush Trap
Description Qty Cost (Each) Source
Ambush Trap Blueprints 1 Loot Assassin Mouse and Worker Mouse in Dojo and Hapless Mouse in Meditation Room and Pinnacle Chamber
Master's Seal 1 Loot / Crafting Dojo Sensei in Pinnacle Chamber or by combining 1 each of Master Belt Shard, Master Claw Shard. Master Fang Shard
Rice Paper 3 220 Training Grounds GS
Splintered Wood 5 150 / Loot Training Grounds GS and as loot from a variety of mice throughout the Kingdom
Droid Parts 8 7,750 Bazaar GS
Total 62,660+

Or how about this:

Formula: Ambush Trap
Recipe can be unlocked by: Complete all of these:
Catch Master of the Cheese Belt
Catch Master of the Cheese Claw
Catch Master of the Cheese Fang
Item Qty Cost (Each) Source
Ambush Trap Blueprints 1 Loot Assassin Mouse and Worker Mouse in Dojo and Hapless Mouse in Meditation Room and Pinnacle Chamber
Master's Seal 1 Loot / Crafting Dojo Sensei in Pinnacle Chamber or by combining 1 each of Master Belt Shard, Master Claw Shard. Master Fang Shard
Rice Paper 3 220 Training Grounds GS
Splintered Wood 5 150 / Loot Training Grounds GS and as loot from a variety of mice throughout the Kingdom
Droid Parts 8 7,750 Bazaar GS
Total 62,660+

--TW George 14:03, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Transclusion of item source

By placing the source of an item into a page, we can easily transclude this piece of information in multiple places. Makes maintenance much easier and avoid human error (typos, inconsistencies etc).

For those who are not very familiar with this, all you need to do is put some information in a page: it can be anywhere. For example, by adding some content to User:Bencmq/sandbox, and using the syntax {{User:Bencmq/sandbox}}, it would produce the following: [link removed --Bencmq 18:06, 28 June 2014 (UTC)] quoting directly from my user sandbox page.

Maybe a few different ways we can organise this.

  1. Place the source of splintered wood at Template:Source/Splintered Wood, to use, syntax is {{Source/Splintered Wood}}
  2. Place the source of splintered wood at [[Template:Splintered Wood/source]], same usage
  3. Or, instead we can place them under the article, so for example [[Splintered Wood/source]]. However this would not be recognised as a subpage of Splintered Wood, and the syntax would be {{:Splintered Wood/source}}, note the extra colon needed. So I would suggest agains this.
I'd suggest the first one--Bencmq 16:17, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
I also like the Template:Source/Item naming convention. -- ericb talkcontr 16:49, 27 May 2014 (UTC)