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..we have had problems with some forum-enhancing scripts launching mini-DOS attacks on our servers since they hit a large quantity of profile pages to render the information. --[[User:Dave Vanderburg|Dave Vanderburg]] 21:31, 22 December 2008 (UTC) | ..we have had problems with some forum-enhancing scripts launching mini-DOS attacks on our servers since they hit a large quantity of profile pages to render the information. --[[User:Dave Vanderburg|Dave Vanderburg]] 21:31, 22 December 2008 (UTC) | ||
| − | *21:42, 22 December 2008 Brossow (rm one tool - might "enhance" FB but puts enormous undue load on MH servers (think DOS attack)) | + | *''21:42, 22 December 2008 Brossow (rm one tool - might "enhance" FB but puts enormous undue load on MH servers (think DOS attack))'' -- I am perfectly fine that the tool is removed from the pool of links. I agree that this script increases server loads. This possibly results in DoS, but it is NOT a DDoS attack, as accused. The term "DoS attack" seems to be too strong because the intention of the script is NOT to attack, and users are informed, on the installation page, of the increase in web traffics. If I were a MH developer, I would have removed the tool from wiki too. But I would not say it is launching (mini-) DoS attacks, which are illegal in many countries. Otherwise, Mozilla foundation would not have approved some Firefox extensions that effectively use XMLHttpRequests. -- [[User:Pooflinger|Pooflinger]] |
| − | + | **Intentional or not, the effect is ultimately the same. As I say to people all the time about a wide variety of situations, just because you CAN doesn't mean you SHOULD. Or to quote [http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Chris_Rock Chris Rock], "You can drive a car with your feet if you want to, that don't make it a good f---ing idea!" I'm a fan of the Pooflinger tools for the most part (especially the travel planner) but I am appalled that you would continue to offer a tool you openly admit "increases server loads [and] possibly results in DoS." That's a rotten thing to do not only to the HitGrab guys, who have to pay the bills for the bandwidth but also answer to the angry mob when servers are slow or go down altogether, but also to the rest of the players who are impacted by the slow servers, downtime, etc. that you say this tool could cause. That your other tools are helpful does not negate the fact that this one is abusive. The minor convenience (but mostly just entertainment) it provides the members of the MouseHunt community who use it hardly excuses its degradation of gameplay for ALL of the community. IMO, of course. -- [[User:Brossow|B.Rossow]] <sup style='margin-right:-11px'>[[User_talk:Brossow|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Brossow|contr]]</sub> 15:38, 31 December 2008 (UTC) | |
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| + | ***You don't understand the essence of communication, do you? I agree that it can result in DoS, but it is not a DoS attack. When you make someone dead, you are not necessarily a murderer. Whether or not the effect is the same (death) is NOT RELEVANT to the argument. It is the intent that is attached to the word 'murderer'. | ||
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| + | I was not talking about whether Forum Enhancer should be used. Nor was I using other Pooflinger tools to legitimize this one. So, next time, please do not show off your arrogance and ignorance with routine 'IMO'. | ||
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| + | Until you are in a position to speak for either HitGrab or the whole MH community, please do not reply as if you are. Until you understand that different people value the same thing differently or conduct rigorous statistical tests, please do not make generalizations. | ||
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| + | As sarcastic remarks, why don't you attack the car racers that their little entertainment harly excuses its environmental impacts, safety risks, and social spillover? Perhaps all non-educational computer games provide merely unhealthy entertainment and should be banned to free up human resources to do something more economically productive and socially constructive. | ||
| + | -- [[User:Pooflinger|Pooflinger]] (Peter) 3 May 2009 | ||
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| + | I have made an edit that changes Pooflinger to Furoma Tools, as this is their new name, and has been for some time. If you don't think this is good, then feel free to change it back :) | ||
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| + | I have also removed the *[http://furoma.com/game_zone.html Game Zone by Pooflinger!] link, as it does not work. [[User:Shaun1e|shaun1e]] 22:14, 10 September 2010 (UTC) | ||
Latest revision as of 22:14, 10 September 2010
Contents
Please add descriptions
When someone has time, please add a BRIEF, well-written description under each item in this list (except the "See also" section). Indent the description under the link by starting the line with a single colon. Thanks! -- B.Rossow talkcontr 15:38, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
Abuse?
Noticed this in the edit history on the Main Page and hoped Dave V. could expand on what link/s exactly was/were seen as abusive (so that others and I can avoid it/them).
- Removed link to third part tools due to some abusive tools being posted. The individual page can remain for now.
Anyone? Bueller? -- B.Rossow talkcontr 21:04, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
Facebook Forum Enhancer
..we have had problems with some forum-enhancing scripts launching mini-DOS attacks on our servers since they hit a large quantity of profile pages to render the information. --Dave Vanderburg 21:31, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
- 21:42, 22 December 2008 Brossow (rm one tool - might "enhance" FB but puts enormous undue load on MH servers (think DOS attack)) -- I am perfectly fine that the tool is removed from the pool of links. I agree that this script increases server loads. This possibly results in DoS, but it is NOT a DDoS attack, as accused. The term "DoS attack" seems to be too strong because the intention of the script is NOT to attack, and users are informed, on the installation page, of the increase in web traffics. If I were a MH developer, I would have removed the tool from wiki too. But I would not say it is launching (mini-) DoS attacks, which are illegal in many countries. Otherwise, Mozilla foundation would not have approved some Firefox extensions that effectively use XMLHttpRequests. -- Pooflinger
- Intentional or not, the effect is ultimately the same. As I say to people all the time about a wide variety of situations, just because you CAN doesn't mean you SHOULD. Or to quote Chris Rock, "You can drive a car with your feet if you want to, that don't make it a good f---ing idea!" I'm a fan of the Pooflinger tools for the most part (especially the travel planner) but I am appalled that you would continue to offer a tool you openly admit "increases server loads [and] possibly results in DoS." That's a rotten thing to do not only to the HitGrab guys, who have to pay the bills for the bandwidth but also answer to the angry mob when servers are slow or go down altogether, but also to the rest of the players who are impacted by the slow servers, downtime, etc. that you say this tool could cause. That your other tools are helpful does not negate the fact that this one is abusive. The minor convenience (but mostly just entertainment) it provides the members of the MouseHunt community who use it hardly excuses its degradation of gameplay for ALL of the community. IMO, of course. -- B.Rossow talkcontr 15:38, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
- You don't understand the essence of communication, do you? I agree that it can result in DoS, but it is not a DoS attack. When you make someone dead, you are not necessarily a murderer. Whether or not the effect is the same (death) is NOT RELEVANT to the argument. It is the intent that is attached to the word 'murderer'.
I was not talking about whether Forum Enhancer should be used. Nor was I using other Pooflinger tools to legitimize this one. So, next time, please do not show off your arrogance and ignorance with routine 'IMO'.
Until you are in a position to speak for either HitGrab or the whole MH community, please do not reply as if you are. Until you understand that different people value the same thing differently or conduct rigorous statistical tests, please do not make generalizations.
As sarcastic remarks, why don't you attack the car racers that their little entertainment harly excuses its environmental impacts, safety risks, and social spillover? Perhaps all non-educational computer games provide merely unhealthy entertainment and should be banned to free up human resources to do something more economically productive and socially constructive.
-- Pooflinger (Peter) 3 May 2009
Pooflinger to Furoma Tools
I have made an edit that changes Pooflinger to Furoma Tools, as this is their new name, and has been for some time. If you don't think this is good, then feel free to change it back :)
I have also removed the *Game Zone by Pooflinger! link, as it does not work. shaun1e 22:14, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
