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::I think that's a good description to have that you wrote. -- [[User:Camomiletea|camomiletea]] 02:13, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
 
::I think that's a good description to have that you wrote. -- [[User:Camomiletea|camomiletea]] 02:13, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
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:::One thing that I have been debating about (with myself, pooflinger, and others) is whether the MHWiki is purely out here for informational purposes, or for guidance purposes. That is, whether we should include subjective content like trap/base/stratagem analysis or just keep it like the wiki is right now, just chock-full of information and information only. If we include "characterizations" as GoBecky put it, then I fear that we will intrude into the job that MH guides are supposed to be doing (eg. Sean's awesome guide). ''If'' GoBecky should include subjectivities, then I don't see why we should not include it in other parts of the wiki (which would incorporate major rewrites of most of the wiki). Admittedly, we already have a sort of "mini-guide" on our [[Location Quick Reference]] page but I think that is as far as we should go. In summary, I would like to say that we should make up our mind on whether we should include subjective information, which would require major major rewriting, or keep it out entirely. -- [[User:Victor.Song|Victor.Song]][[User_talk:Victor.Song|<font color="green"><sup>talk</sup></font>]] 02:28, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
  
 
==Availability==
 
==Availability==

Revision as of 02:28, 17 February 2010

Archives: Archive 1, Archive 2

High resolution images

When, or if, we're permitted to upload files, it'd be good to have each image properly prepared. For the sake of formality, we should save base images with the Tacky Glue Trap, weapon images with the Wooden Base, and all images without baited cheese. Keeping them as original PNG files would be nice, too. Here's a checklist; links are ones I've already saved. Revengeance 20:19, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Bases

Weapons

Freshness Chart

Please feel free to edit the code below directly if it can be further improved.
Quick list of freshness span tags below:

  • <span style="display:none;">-5</span>Ultimately Stale
  • <span style="display:none;">-6</span>Insanely Stale
  • <span style="display:none;">-7</span>Extremely Stale
  • <span style="display:none;">-8</span>Very Stale
  • <span style="display:none;">-9</span>Stale
  • <span style="display:none;">0</span>No Effect
  • <span style="display:none;">1</span>Fresh
  • <span style="display:none;">2</span>Very Fresh
  • <span style="display:none;">3</span>Extremely Fresh
  • <span style="display:none;">4</span>Insanely Fresh
  • <span style="display:none;">5</span>Ultimately Fresh
  • <span style="display:none;">6</span>Über Fresh

Staleness levels are ranked with most stale as -1, since wiki reads the '-' as just another character rather than minus. Current starting value of -5 is to allow for future addition if any more staleness levels are added in-game.
-- Grexx 18:10, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Just an additional note, if you're sorting just numbers, a '-' sign should sort properly. As the numbers for the freshness chart is mixed with text, it is read as text, thus necessitating the reversal of negative numbering. -- Grexx 16:51, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
Sorting negative number in string is ambiguous. Please check here. Pus 04:11, 9 June 2009 (UTC)


I went ahead and changed it so that this page matches the values found in the individual weapon and base pages. Ultimately Stale to Über Fresh is -5 to 6. Then take that number, multiply by 3, and add 48. I think this was done to handle weapon/base combinations that exceed Über Fresh, but can be applied here as well. Probably more complicated than it needs to be, but it is consistent and deals with the minus sign issue. In short,

  • <span style="display:none;">33</span>Ultimately Stale
  • <span style="display:none;">36</span>Insanely Stale
  • <span style="display:none;">39</span>Extremely Stale
  • <span style="display:none;">42</span>Very Stale
  • <span style="display:none;">45</span>Stale
  • <span style="display:none;">48</span>No Effect
  • <span style="display:none;">51</span>Fresh
  • <span style="display:none;">54</span>Very Fresh
  • <span style="display:none;">57</span>Extremely Fresh
  • <span style="display:none;">60</span>Insanely Fresh
  • <span style="display:none;">63</span>Ultimately Fresh
  • <span style="display:none;">66</span>Über Fresh

--Hyperchao 22:22, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

That's a reasonable solution, although possibly a bit hard to follow for non Mathematically inclined editors, but as long as this section is here, it should be fine. How hard can copy and paste be ;) -- Grexx 15:59, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Trap Attributes

The information here is lifted almost directly from the in-game text. However I've noticed that it has been slightly touched up over time. In this case some of the changes are quite important, namely:

  • a change from "accuracy bonus to attraction bonus" under Attraction Bonus
  • changing "positive" cheese effect to "fresh" cheese effect
  • the addition of "very" effective to Shadow description

These are changes which the developers have missed out or did not make clear enough. Normally we would revert all changes back to the in-game description, but seeing that it is a section talking about a very important aspect of MH game play, I think it should be left as is, since the changes serve to clarify the terms.

I also plan to compile a list of incorrect game descriptions that the developers can refer to easily. -- Grexx 15:14, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Trap Ranking

Regarding the short 1 or 2 liners at the introduction of a number of trap/base pages ranking the various trap attributes, I think it is wholly unnecessary since the Trap page contains the full list for comparison, and the individual base and weapon pages also contain further information for those interested in the full picture. The ranking by itself serves no purpose due to the adjustments based on different combinations, and add work in maintaining accuracy each time a new base/weapon is introduced, so I'll be putting it up as a task in MHWiki:Articles needing attention. -- Grexx 07:46, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

I'd be willing to take on the cleaning up of the bases' pages, as I saw is still needed on MHWiki:Articles needing attention. But before claiming the task and adding edits, I have a question about what we would like to see on those pages. I wholeheartedly agree that the "this is better than that, but not as lucky as that other one that you can't even buy anymore" descriptions need to go. But should any characterization of a base's properties be given? For example, the Aqua. It has relatively high luck (8) and power (230) for a non-LE trap, but no other advantages. It's currently described as not being very versatile. Would we want something like "The Aqua Base, available at … , is a relatively strong and lucky base, but its lack of attraction or power bonuses limits its versatility"? Or just stick with the purchase, history, trivia, etc info and stay out of assessing the base altogether? --GoBecky 01:08, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
I think that's a good description to have that you wrote. -- camomiletea 02:13, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
One thing that I have been debating about (with myself, pooflinger, and others) is whether the MHWiki is purely out here for informational purposes, or for guidance purposes. That is, whether we should include subjective content like trap/base/stratagem analysis or just keep it like the wiki is right now, just chock-full of information and information only. If we include "characterizations" as GoBecky put it, then I fear that we will intrude into the job that MH guides are supposed to be doing (eg. Sean's awesome guide). If GoBecky should include subjectivities, then I don't see why we should not include it in other parts of the wiki (which would incorporate major rewrites of most of the wiki). Admittedly, we already have a sort of "mini-guide" on our Location Quick Reference page but I think that is as far as we should go. In summary, I would like to say that we should make up our mind on whether we should include subjective information, which would require major major rewriting, or keep it out entirely. -- Victor.Songtalk 02:28, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Availability

I'm planning on doing away with all bloat from the small notes beside many of the weapons and bases such as 1 2 3. The information is always easily available a click away in the respective item page. The only thing that will be retained will be a note stating if an item is always available or is time limited. Will probably be naming it 'Limited' or something similar. So it'll be a simple superscript # or *, followed by a single line at the bottom stating that the item is limited edition or limited to certain events in the past. If there's any issues with the change, now is a good time to voice it out. If not I will be implementing it in due time. The change is meant to reduce the clutter on the article and bring it back to the original purpose, a table informing players of the traps available (or not), and the prices (and possible variations). -- Grexx 12:50, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Finally got to it. Let me know if there's any further possible improvements that can be made. -- Grexx 16:12, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
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