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| style="text-align:left;" | In recognition of the excellent [[Special:Contributions/Brossow|contributions]] that [[User:Brossow|Brossow]] has made to the MH Wiki.<br />&nbsp;&nbsp;-- [[User:Grexx|Grexx]] 21:41, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
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Some notable contributions:
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* Major revamp of the [[Main Page]]. (Dec 2008)
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* Creating many of the templates in use at the moment.
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* Major cleanup to the [[Mice]] page and creation of the Mice table. (2 Jan 2009)
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* Creating and maintaining the [[Cheat Sheet]]. (10 Feb 2009)
  
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== MythMonger Wiki ==
 
 
You're right about the edit to the traps page.  I personally think it's more useful to have the info in the table, and don't mind scrolling sideways, but I shouldn't have just undid your change.  Sorry. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Nebjob|Nebjob]] ([[User talk:Nebjob|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Nebjob|contribs]]) 14:07, 5 February 2009</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
 
:No problem. :-) --&nbsp;[[User:Brossow|B.Rossow]]&nbsp;<sup style='margin-right:-11px'>[[User_talk:Brossow|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Brossow|contr]]</sub> 20:11, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
 
 
 
:Just a follow up on the edit to the traps page. MouseHunters are NOT happy about the changes. They like the ease of looking up the trap info right there in one click from the main page. This wiki is for them, and should cater to what they want. That is the responsibility one takes on when one becomes an admin. That's what the Devs do for us in MouseHunt. Heres a topic on the boards. [http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?app_id=10337532241&xid=mousehunt_strategy&c_url=http%253A%252F%252Fapps.facebook.com%252Fmousehunt%252Fboards.php&r_url=http%253A%252F%252Fapps.facebook.com%252Fmousehunt%252Fboards.php&sig=0936ad0f294126dec6eedd6539607b9b&topic=31424#topic_top Who is messing with the wiki]
 
  
:: With the Catacombs trapsmith now open, there's no way with the current table structure to fit all of the prices in without scrolling sideways on most normal screen resolutions. I've got a 22" widescreen display and the table with prices WITHOUT the Catacombs info goes right to the edge. There's also the issue of maintaining accurate info in multiple places and having duplicate info sprinkled throughout the wiki. I'm more than willing to consider workable suggestions despite what some people might think, but I've yet to actually see one. If people would step up and take responsibility for providing an easy to read, easy to maintain solution that would keep everyone happy, no one would be more pleased than me. But the complainers don't seem to understand the reason the prices were moved in the first place. Sadly, it's a lot easier to complain than to offer solutions. Maybe if others would put in the same time and effort, they'd have a better understanding of why myself and a couple other editors don't tiptoe around fragile egos when careless changes are made. Maybe instead of forming a union they should simply educate themselves about how a wiki works, take the time to proofread before posting (shift key, anyone?), think about how their edits improve the wiki instead of worrying about theirs being the last edit, and then contribute useful, thoughtful info instead of whining about how much they hate me because I cleaned up after them. I simply couldn't care less about people's egos; I'm here to put my experience to work, not to overlook garbage for fear of offending someone by correcting it. --&nbsp;[[User:Brossow|B.Rossow]]&nbsp;<sup style='margin-right:-11px'>[[User_talk:Brossow|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Brossow|contr]]</sub> 06:33, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
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Hey!
  
:::Lol, once again we're at the topic of explaining edits. While time consuming, its good for other editors to see the idea behind some of the more major edits. Anyways being the original editor who added the refund and pricing section into the table back in early December (Brossow kindly tidied it up for me), I shall explain the rationale behind the original edit.
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Thanks for beginning the wiki for MythMonger.
  
:::Initially, no refund information was available at all. Someone added the "sells for" column, which was subsequently filled up with some info. However the major problem with a single column is that it is unable to show prices for 2 locations, a problem very specific to the Forcefield and DeathBot weapons.
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We were planning to setup a wiki for MythMonger on our servers, the same way we setup one for MouseHunt.
  
:::In order to best represent the information, I decided to spread out the information into the different locations. Adding these columns really stretched the table, and introduced lots of redundant blank space into 6 columns that were never going to be filled with information, as can be seen [http://mousehunt.hitgrab.com/wiki/index.php?title=Traps&diff=next&oldid=48961 here]. At that point it became very apparent that it was going to be a temporary measure. As more locations are added with more Trapsmiths, the table will end up with even more useless empty space, which is unacceptable for good wiki presentation.
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We'd love your help, as you've done such an awesome job for us on MouseHunt. It would be silly for us to start again, so please consider sending us the database dump for this wiki!
  
:::Hopefully that clears up even more misunderstandings over editing work. While I wish that someone could have come up with a better layout, no one ever did further overhaul of the code. Eventually the expanded location scenario came up, with the Catacombs being introduced. While I couldn't quite bear to remove my own work, I'm glad someone could identify the major weakness of it, and take some action. In this case, the section was removed and the information shifted down one level into the individual trap pages.
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Please message me on Facebook! =)
  
:::While not necessarily the best solution, it is better than one ultra wide table which no one can read properly, rendering it quite useless. Of course we could revert back to the one column + additional explanation on price variations below the table, but I found that to be a very inelegant layout, which was why I modified it in the first place. And so again, we're left waiting for more editors to step in, not with their mouths but with their hands :)
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[[User:Giorgio Sintichakis|Giorgio Sintichakis]] 02:45, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
  
:::And just to borrow Brossow's talk page, which seems to have a higher hit count than some of [http://mousehunt.hitgrab.com/wiki/index.php?title=Special:PopularPages&limit=100&offset=100 these pages], we are short of good editors! So do chip in. Don't worry about making mistakes, because you have people cleaning up after you all the time! Some of my initial edits were piss poor and got cleaned up real quick. -- [[User:Grexx|Grexx]] 10:44, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
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== Thanks ==
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Sorry about creating extra work for you. Thanks for clearing up a few of my blunders, I'm pretty new to this. {{unsigned|Davidbrowne}}
  
::::Do you think it would be possible to get the space "cheese effect" uses reduced (by puting a key and just VS for Very Stale and so on... and get the part we had to move out back so we can make them happy?--[[User:Meurquidi|Meurquidi]] 03:32, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 
  
:::::The bit of space saved still would not provide enough room for all current and future pricing. There just simply isn't room. The basic info needed for decision-making is there now along with information on where to get more detailed info. I really think this is a good compromise. --&nbsp;[[User:Brossow|B.Rossow]]&nbsp;<sup style='margin-right:-11px'>[[User_talk:Brossow|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Brossow|contr]]</sub> 03:44, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
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I have been reading the wiki ever since I started playing, but finally decided a few days ago to start helping when I saw stuff that I thought needed to be done, so a steep learning curve (two days) later I make my first page by myself with the wonderful help of the templates. This is why I love this game, and specifically this wiki, I (the uber newbie wiki editor) see the new GB House trap info and do my best to get a new page up with all the proper info in real time. Being a newb though, and having to run out the door in the middle of my edits because the freezing weather made our pipes explode, I left my page in disarray. I am very thankful, and I am sure others are as well, that you have shown so much dedication to a consistent style and format. I look forward to you correcting my many mistakes in the future. --[[User:Niehusa|Niehusa]] 03:00, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
  
::::::The info on how much you get as refund would be interesting there tho. --[[User:Meurquidi|Meurquidi]] 04:01, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
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:We're glad to have you aboard and appreciate your helpful contributions! The great thing about a wiki is that errors -- made both by newbies and seasoned editors -- can easily be corrected and adjustments made. Sorry to hear about your burst pipes! No such disasters here (knock on wood) but it's been very cold (-8°F when I got up this morning) so I can sympathize. There are lots of editors here at least as dedicated as I am, and it's truly a group effort. Again, we're happy to have you as part of the group. Welcome aboard! If you have any questions or need assistance with editing, don't hesitate to ask myself or any of the other editors who have been around for a long time. (Hate to name names at the risk of leaving people out, but off the top of my head I know [[User:Grexx|Grexx]], [[User:Camomiletea|Camomiletea]] and [[User:M.|M.]] are frequently around and willing to help.) Happy editing and hunting! --<span style="border:2px ridge #aaf;background-color:#fff;padding:1px 8px;font:normal 10px Verdana,sans-serif;margin-left:-8px;">[[User:Brossow|<span style="color:#358;">B.Rossow</span>]] · [[User_talk:Brossow|<span style="color:#35d;">talk</span>]]</span> 03:12, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
  
:::::::Why? Is it ''really'' an important piece of info that people rely on for making a purchasing decision?  All refundable traps refund at 18% of their purchase cost (if I'm remembering the math correctly). People don't buy a trap based on how much it refunds for and that's what I see this info being used for. And really, how lazy are people that they can't be bothered to make one extra click for a piece of information they'll only use one time? It's not like people buy and sell these traps over and over. I freely admit I don't get it, but if there's something big I'm missing I'm willing to learn. --&nbsp;[[User:Brossow|B.Rossow]]&nbsp;<sup style='margin-right:-11px'>[[User_talk:Brossow|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Brossow|contr]]</sub> 04:08, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
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==Cheat Sheet==
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Regarding the [[Cheat Sheet#Mice|Mice]] table under [[Cheat Sheet]], wanted to check with you if [http://mhwiki.hitgrab.com/wiki/index.php?title=Cheat_Sheet&diff=next&oldid=89079 this edit] converting the columns back into one row was intended? Was just working on splitting it up when I suddenly recalled having done it before and went to check the history and noticed your edit on it. Curious about the rationale behind it, since the original idea was to make it easier to adjust for changes to mice locations. -- [[User:Grexx|Grexx]] 19:22, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
  
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:I certainly found [[Talk:Cheat_Sheet#New_Mice_Table_Layout|Grexx's layout]] useful; less counting, less opportunity for mistakes. -- [[User:Camomiletea|Camomiletea]] 20:09, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
Yes, I am new to the wiki. However, we discussed in the forum thread that the best way to get the journals is to use white cheddar in the meadow. As it's dropped by a Dwarf mouse, it automatically makes White Cheddar cheese the better bait option. Additionally, I'm only recording the number of users who happen to have caught it first time. As a man of science, I would not even consider my theory without evidence. I think 8 users catching it first time using the principle is a enough evidence to at least suggest it as a technique. See [[Mole Mouse]] for similar techniques of using white cheddar to catch a certain mouse. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Zingbats|Zingbats]] ([[User talk:Zingbats|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Zingbats|contribs]]) 11:58, 8 February 2009</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
 
  
:As a man of science, you might recognize that your sample size is too small to draw any meaningful conclusions (8 people out of some 100,000 players). At any rate, I moved the info to a "Hunting strategies" section (similar to the Mole Mouse page you mentioned) to try to find a balance between fact and theory. --&nbsp;[[User:Brossow|B.Rossow]]&nbsp;<sup style='margin-right:-11px'>[[User_talk:Brossow|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Brossow|contr]]</sub> 18:06, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
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::I'm of the opposite opinion and found the seemingly randomly broken-up rows to be confusing and extremely hard to edit. One row just makes good sense to me, but whatever. If having it split up makes it somehow easier for the majority to deal with, so be it. A note describing exactly '''how''' it's split up would be greatly appreciated, however, as I could see no rhyme or reason to it and struggled greatly to make even simple changes. Counting across makes sense to me and should be easier for future editors, but again, whatever, :-) --<span style="border:2px ridge #aaf;background-color:#fff;padding:1px 8px;font:normal 10px Verdana,sans-serif;margin-left:-8px;">[[User:Brossow|<span style="color:#358;">B.Rossow</span>]] · [[User_talk:Brossow|<span style="color:#35d;">talk</span>]]</span> 20:18, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
  
:: Oh come on. While I agree that I have (in no way) got enough evidence to say "Yes, every time you go to the Meadow with White Cheddar you will get the pages...", I have definitely got a pattern worth mentioning, and indeed investigating.
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:::Ah ok, they were actually split along regional lines as described under the [[Talk:Cheat Sheet#New Mice Table Layout|talk page]]. It actually cuts down on the counting needed whenever a new location or mouse location is added, so rather than counting from the first column you can start at the exact region. I'll move the instructions to the top of the page and include in a quick note within the article itself so it's easier to follow :) -- [[User:Grexx|Grexx]] 05:37, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
:: Additionally, moving to the hunting strategy page is useless. It's really got nothing to do with hunting, and everything to do with finding the pages! A user isn't going to look to the strategy page to find out how to get it, but rather the pages page itself.
 
:: The whole point of wiki is linking and unifying information. That means putting it into the right place.
 
  
:::Umm ... did you bother to look at the page?  The info is right there below the table. I didn't move it to a different page. It's right there in a more appropriate place ON THE PAGE. --&nbsp;[[User:Brossow|B.Rossow]]&nbsp;<sup style='margin-right:-11px'>[[User_talk:Brossow|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Brossow|contr]]</sub> 18:14, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
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== Mouse weaknesses ==
  
:::: I thought you meant the main hunting strat. page. Apologies.
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Since you were the one to add this item to the mouse template, I think you should put your thoughts [[MHWiki talk:Editor's Corner#Weakness|here]]. -- [[User:Camomiletea|camomiletea]] 02:53, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
  
::::: No need to apologize, really. Just a misunderstanding. For what it's worth, I just tried out the theory and will agree that it seems sound. Worked for me, anyway. What bothers me is that it doesn't seem to work for everyone. Having the info in a separate narrative section allows more room for discussion and explanation of the strategy, as I hope you'll agree.  On an unrelated note, it's good wiki etiquette to always sign your entries on talk pages using the signature button (second from the right above the edit box) or by typing <nowiki>--~~~~</nowiki> at the end of your post.  No hard feelings, I hope. --&nbsp;[[User:Brossow|B.Rossow]]&nbsp;<sup style='margin-right:-11px'>[[User_talk:Brossow|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Brossow|contr]]</sub> 18:19, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
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== Category Prize Mice ==
  
== NVMRC Forcefield Trap ==
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You reverted my move to the new prize mice category for the itunes mice, with reason it isnt an event mice and always available.
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So are all the mice in this category (leprechaun, treasurer, snooty, high roller, mobster). They are all always available (not just events) but still have the tag "event". What is the point of having two identical categories but named different? {{unsigned|Melky}}
  
Saw you took care of the pic for the Cupid. The NVMRC Forcefield Trap's picture-link is broken and points to the ambush trap now, maybe you could take care of it..? --[[User:Johnson|Johnson]] 12:02, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
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:Because during the short time it was available years ago, it wasn't a special event mouse. The wiki is about providing accurate information, not making stuff up and revising history to just to reduce the number of categories.
  
== ACRONYM ==
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:Also, please remember to sign your comments by adding <nowiki>--~~~~</nowiki> at the end.
Hi, I just thought I'd point out that there's two versions of the page for the ACRONYM weapon, one with correct and one with incorrect case (Unlike the other two Arcane traps, it has an upper-case "Of" in its name).  You can look at recent changes for the whole story...  I'm trying not to get upset, or upset anyone. I'm getting offline now to head home from school in any case, and will be online in half an hour or so.  -- [[User:Pakaran|Pakaran]] 01:28, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 
  
:The one redirects to the other. No problem there as far as I can tell. Thanks for the heads-up! :-) --&nbsp;[[User:Brossow|B.Rossow]]&nbsp;<sup style='margin-right:-11px'>[[User_talk:Brossow|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Brossow|contr]]</sub> 01:31, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
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:Thanks! <span style="border:2px ridge #aaf;background-color:#fff;padding:1px 8px;font:normal 10px Verdana,sans-serif;">[[User:Brossow|<span style="color:#358;">B.Rossow</span>]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User_talk:Brossow|<span style="color:#35d;">talk</span>]]</span> 17:23, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

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If you have something to say, please click here (or use the [+] tab at the top of the page between "edit" and "history") to add a new section in order to keep the page more organized (unless, of course, you're commenting on a topic already being discussed). Please also remember to sign your post by using the signature button at the top of the editing box (it's the second button from the right, between the red "no" circle and the horizontal line) or by typing --~~~~ at the end of your entry. Thanks!

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Wiki Contributions

Invaluable
Contributor
In recognition of the excellent contributions that Brossow has made to the MH Wiki.
  -- Grexx 21:41, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Some notable contributions:

  • Major revamp of the Main Page. (Dec 2008)
  • Creating many of the templates in use at the moment.
  • Major cleanup to the Mice page and creation of the Mice table. (2 Jan 2009)
  • Creating and maintaining the Cheat Sheet. (10 Feb 2009)

MythMonger Wiki

Hey!

Thanks for beginning the wiki for MythMonger.

We were planning to setup a wiki for MythMonger on our servers, the same way we setup one for MouseHunt.

We'd love your help, as you've done such an awesome job for us on MouseHunt. It would be silly for us to start again, so please consider sending us the database dump for this wiki!

Please message me on Facebook! =)

Giorgio Sintichakis 02:45, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

Sorry about creating extra work for you. Thanks for clearing up a few of my blunders, I'm pretty new to this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Davidbrowne (talkcontribs)


I have been reading the wiki ever since I started playing, but finally decided a few days ago to start helping when I saw stuff that I thought needed to be done, so a steep learning curve (two days) later I make my first page by myself with the wonderful help of the templates. This is why I love this game, and specifically this wiki, I (the uber newbie wiki editor) see the new GB House trap info and do my best to get a new page up with all the proper info in real time. Being a newb though, and having to run out the door in the middle of my edits because the freezing weather made our pipes explode, I left my page in disarray. I am very thankful, and I am sure others are as well, that you have shown so much dedication to a consistent style and format. I look forward to you correcting my many mistakes in the future. --Niehusa 03:00, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

We're glad to have you aboard and appreciate your helpful contributions! The great thing about a wiki is that errors -- made both by newbies and seasoned editors -- can easily be corrected and adjustments made. Sorry to hear about your burst pipes! No such disasters here (knock on wood) but it's been very cold (-8°F when I got up this morning) so I can sympathize. There are lots of editors here at least as dedicated as I am, and it's truly a group effort. Again, we're happy to have you as part of the group. Welcome aboard! If you have any questions or need assistance with editing, don't hesitate to ask myself or any of the other editors who have been around for a long time. (Hate to name names at the risk of leaving people out, but off the top of my head I know Grexx, Camomiletea and M. are frequently around and willing to help.) Happy editing and hunting! --B.Rossow · talk 03:12, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Cheat Sheet

Regarding the Mice table under Cheat Sheet, wanted to check with you if this edit converting the columns back into one row was intended? Was just working on splitting it up when I suddenly recalled having done it before and went to check the history and noticed your edit on it. Curious about the rationale behind it, since the original idea was to make it easier to adjust for changes to mice locations. -- Grexx 19:22, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

I certainly found Grexx's layout useful; less counting, less opportunity for mistakes. -- Camomiletea 20:09, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
I'm of the opposite opinion and found the seemingly randomly broken-up rows to be confusing and extremely hard to edit. One row just makes good sense to me, but whatever. If having it split up makes it somehow easier for the majority to deal with, so be it. A note describing exactly how it's split up would be greatly appreciated, however, as I could see no rhyme or reason to it and struggled greatly to make even simple changes. Counting across makes sense to me and should be easier for future editors, but again, whatever, :-) --B.Rossow · talk 20:18, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
Ah ok, they were actually split along regional lines as described under the talk page. It actually cuts down on the counting needed whenever a new location or mouse location is added, so rather than counting from the first column you can start at the exact region. I'll move the instructions to the top of the page and include in a quick note within the article itself so it's easier to follow :) -- Grexx 05:37, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Mouse weaknesses

Since you were the one to add this item to the mouse template, I think you should put your thoughts here. -- camomiletea 02:53, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Category Prize Mice

You reverted my move to the new prize mice category for the itunes mice, with reason it isnt an event mice and always available. So are all the mice in this category (leprechaun, treasurer, snooty, high roller, mobster). They are all always available (not just events) but still have the tag "event". What is the point of having two identical categories but named different? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Melky (talkcontribs)

Because during the short time it was available years ago, it wasn't a special event mouse. The wiki is about providing accurate information, not making stuff up and revising history to just to reduce the number of categories.
Also, please remember to sign your comments by adding --~~~~ at the end.
Thanks! B.Rossow · talk 17:23, 8 January 2014 (UTC)