Talk:Mice
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Bait preference
Not sure what criteria we are using to determine 'preferred bait' but we may want to consider adding SB+ for the following breeds: Black Widow, Burglar (and normal brie), Mobster, Leprechaun and all Furoma Students. --Dave Vanderburg 22:13, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
- Invaluable info as always. Thanks, Dave! As for criteria, I don't believe there are any at this point except what's made more or less explicit in-game: the various crafted cheeses for the Masters, Moon cheese for Lycan, etc. As for the rest ... well, maybe you can tell us what (if any) criteria we should be applying here. We're just guessing. :-) -- B.Rossow talkcontr 02:01, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
- Sounds good. The difference between these mice and others when it comes to preferred bait is that other types of cheese work fine, but when using SB+ their 'encounter probability' goes up by ten to twenty-five percent. --Dave Vanderburg 12:11, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
- I have a question also about attraction. Is it added or multiplied into the attraction? Such as a 40% attraction bonus adds to a 50% attraction rate for a 90% attraction rate or is it multiplied such as 50 * 1.40 for a 70% attraction rate? From reading above it seems like it should be multiplied. Just wondering. Perhaps this is a part of the secrets of MH coding you wish to not reveal either =). AzureOwl 18:21, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
- Sounds good. The difference between these mice and others when it comes to preferred bait is that other types of cheese work fine, but when using SB+ their 'encounter probability' goes up by ten to twenty-five percent. --Dave Vanderburg 12:11, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
Mouse Info Template
Can we have a fixed template for all mice?
i.e.
The <mouse breed> is a breed of mice found in the <exact area(s), not region>. They are worth at most <xxx> points and at least <xxx> gold.
Special Note (e.g. Hollowhead mice are only released during and around Halloween (October 30) OR Mobster mice carry cash prizes, which can be claimed via PayPal or redeemed for SUPER|brie+ cheese. )
Hunting Advice (e.g Ghost Mice are susceptible to shadow traps and Radioactive Blue cheese, albeit they are not hunting requirements OR Master of the Cheese Fang Mice are susceptible to tactical traps and Combat cheese, albeit the former is not a hunting requirement)
Loot (if applicable) <name, area (if applicable)>
See Also (if applicable)
History (if applicable)
Trivia (if applicable)
External Links
Thanks --MD 14:31, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
- That's the template I've been establishing for a while. The locations are only listed if somebody can provide accurate information, otherwise we list the region(s) they're in. Loot items only mention locations if the mouse is found in more than one and if the loot is exclusive to one of them. Also, "See also" comes after "Trivia". We usually have to set this template up when new mice are added because people fly in and type things like crazy. I'm going through a few articles at the moment because some users have added the copy/pasted mice descriptions again, which we don't need when we have a link to the mice pages in "External links". Revengeance 14:39, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
Missing High-Res Images
- I started a topic on the Tavern board requesting Elf, Mobster or Leprechaun images... somebody added the Elf on here, but there was no response to the others. I also sent a personal message to Amy White requesting an image of the Master Burglar, but there was no response from her either. :/ Revengeance 14:24, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
Ratings
Just noticing a trend in mouse descriptions saying "they are considered <blank> to catch" where blank is effortless, challenging, etc. The difficulty rating is relative to each trap setup so perhaps it is best to not include the difficulty rating in the generic description of the mice. --Dave Vanderburg 21:21, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
Update: I've edited nearly all of the mice to remove the difficulty listed (as it is trap-dependent) and add the max point value. Mice that still need point values added to their page: Leprechaun, and Mobster. Matt Johns 20:43, 16 October 2008 (EST).
Let's not list suggested mice or "unofficial" mice here please.
Table
Maybe we should list the mice in a sortable table? --Navarr 04:59, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
Mice Type
Perhaps it time to create a category for Mice Types such as 'Ghostly', 'War', and 'All Around' like Burroughs/Furoma/Gnawnia Mice for trap effectiveness
- What's "War"? HitGrab hasn't specified any mouse types, so anything like this would be speculative. Revengeance 08:22, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
- Well I'm thinking of references to mice that are weak against certain power types. But as one person has done with the Tactical page, identifying the specific mice that are weak to it. So perhaps instead of separating the mice include "effectiveness" against mice in the power type page.
- Sorted the list into Physical, Shadow, Tactical, although I've probably misplaced some mice so if anyone has clearer info please do move them into the correct list. -- Grexx 16:41, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
- I've reverted it to the ordering from MH. Mice aren't "Physical", "Shadow" or "Tactical"... those are power types of weapons. Certain mice are simply vulnerable to certain power types. Most mice articles already state their vulnerabilities, which is the simplest way to handle this. Additionally, each power type article could list which mice they are effective against. Revengeance 02:26, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
- I agree, it would be unwise to list mice by their weakness due to the fact one mouse can have weakness to many power types. It is also worth noting that some mice process resistances to certain power types in specific locations. An example is a Ninja mouse in the Dojo, where they are resistant to physical damage, unlike outside the Dojo. --Dave Vanderburg 00:53, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
- If resistances vary by location/region does it also mean weaknesses vary by location/region? tactical for lycans in furoma, physical for ninjas in gnawnia or am I going to have to conduct this research myself =p? AzureOwl 18:21, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
- I agree, it would be unwise to list mice by their weakness due to the fact one mouse can have weakness to many power types. It is also worth noting that some mice process resistances to certain power types in specific locations. An example is a Ninja mouse in the Dojo, where they are resistant to physical damage, unlike outside the Dojo. --Dave Vanderburg 00:53, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
- I've reverted it to the ordering from MH. Mice aren't "Physical", "Shadow" or "Tactical"... those are power types of weapons. Certain mice are simply vulnerable to certain power types. Most mice articles already state their vulnerabilities, which is the simplest way to handle this. Additionally, each power type article could list which mice they are effective against. Revengeance 02:26, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
- Sorted the list into Physical, Shadow, Tactical, although I've probably misplaced some mice so if anyone has clearer info please do move them into the correct list. -- Grexx 16:41, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
- Well I'm thinking of references to mice that are weak against certain power types. But as one person has done with the Tactical page, identifying the specific mice that are weak to it. So perhaps instead of separating the mice include "effectiveness" against mice in the power type page.
Old mice need new facelift?
Just a non-wiki thought that occurred to me when discussing the Monster Mouse. Anyone else wish the MH artist(s) would give the original few mice a new look for 2009? Whereas the newer mice are highly detailed and beautifully illustrated, the original few (White, Brown, et al) are cartoonish by comparison. If you're reading this, devs, how about throwing us a bone? Maybe instead of whipping up new Easter bonnets for the rodents y'all could do a little nip/tuck on a few oldies but goodies. :-D -- B.Rossow talkcontr 19:03, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
- I kinda like the artistic transition between the mice designs. While I agree the original mice look pretty bad in comparison to the newer ones (especially Brown), they sorta serve as mementos of the early days and what attracted us to the game in the first place. Revengeance 04:40, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
- For those of us who have been hunting for a long time ("long time" being a relative term, of course), I agree. But I know some newer hunters who are saying, "WTF is up with those mice?" (That's close to, if not exactly, a direct quote from a friend I recently got hooked on the game.) Doesn't really matter to me because I hardly ever catch the White mice anymore and haven't been hunting anywhere to catch a Brown or Granite for months. Just a thought to improve the overall experience and image. Besides, I think it'd be a lot of fun to see how the artist(s) re-vision these original mice. :-) -- B.Rossow talkcontr 04:48, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
History and Trivia sections
Since Wikipedia sees Trivia sections as a big no-no, I'm thinking we could move the information into new History sections. I've already started putting a few History sections together by going through the timeline and picking out the relevant stuff. If there's an agreement to get rid of Trivia sections, I'll put the information into History sections when I get around to each one (or if anybody else wants to go ahead and do some, that'd be great). Revengeance 06:28, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Splitting Table into 2 parts
I'm thinking of splitting the table into 2 parts as was the case about a month back, with 1 table listing the common mice and the other the prize/event mice. If so, we'll be splitting 7 of the 46 mice types currently on the page (Black Widow, Elf, Hollowhead, iTunes, Leprechaun, Master Burglar, Mobster). This will make for easier reading and editing as the page is getting a little lengthy and is likely to get longer as more mice are released as the game develops. -- Grexx 07:18, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
Consistency Issues
I've noticed some problems with keeping the Mouse information consistent because there are many pages that need to be updated each time with the same data when something needs to be changed. For example, the Steel Mouse that I had some trouble with earlier was shown on Steel Mouse and The Mice pages to not reside in the Meadow. However on checking Meadow page, it was shown (correctly?) to be so. If anyone can come up with a solution to this issue it would be great. -- Grexx 07:18, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
- The easiest and probably most sensible solution is to only place the data in a single place: on each mouse's individual page. An alternative that would take a minor bit of coding and a more significant amount of editor education and monitoring -- and ultimately still might not look very good -- would be to make this page a series of transclusions. If the individual mice pages were formatted consistently and the infoboxes were kept inside a <noinclude> tag so they weren't being included on the page, this idea might work. I'm not in favor of it for various reasons, but it's a possibility I might be able to live with. I think the best idea is to eliminate the two middle columns (Location & Pref. Bait) from the existing table as that info can easily be found (and easily maintained) on each mouse's page. I think if this were done, it would eliminate the need to separate the prize mice as suggested in a different comment, which I would object to on the grounds that someone looking for a Leprechaun mouse in the list may not necessarily know that it is a prize mouse and thus be confused or frustrated when they can't easily find it. Sorry for the novella. -- B.Rossow talkcontr 07:36, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
Mouse Loot Drop Frequency
I've noticed that Dave actually added the frequency of loot drops for the various mice (less the more recent forgotten types, quick random example here). I found that to be extremely useful information. Unfortunately, it seems that all that information has been lost in successive edits. I'd like for editors to assist in recovering that information and putting it back into the respective mouse page. Please maintain a completed task list here so that we can avoid duplicating each others' work.
Thus far, I've gone through the history of:
- Dwarf Mouse (Planning to go through more thoroughly)
Editors are advised to look through Dave Vanderburg's edits or the respective mouse page history. Please be aware that Dave is a Developer of MouseHunt so we assume that all information provided by him is correct. -- Grexx 15:05, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
- Here's a link to Dave's contributions, in case it helps: Special:Contributions/Dave Vanderburg. -- B.Rossow talkcontr 15:50, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
- Yup it's the frequency info I was referring to. Its invaluable information that Dave has released into the wiki that I'm surprised it was all edited out. We all know how tight they are with revealing certain aspects of gameplay too. I was looking for relevant info regarding the Gnawnia Pages in the Dwarf pages and chanced upon that, and started looking around the other mice and noticed the loss of information. -- Grexx 16:28, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
- I added drop frequencies for Black Widow, Hollowhead, Zombie, White and Vampire based on Dave's edits.
