Talk:MouseHunt Wiki/Archive 2

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Uploads of files

We are resolving some technical issues that are preventing the uploading of files. --Dave Vanderburg 15:34, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Perfect :-) Thanks a lot in advance for your help! --Mulleflupp 06:52, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi all, I just noticed that uploads have been disabled on this wiki, which is a pity since it would be a great opportunity to show a picture of all the mice, traps, cheeses etc. on the respective page. Does anybody know more? --Mulleflupp 14:50, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Hey, I believe Joel has administrative powers over the Wiki.
He's off on tour at the moment, but I'll try and contact him to amend this.
All we'll need to do is address the viewers that they could potentially stumble upon spoilers because I know some players prefer to unlock the mice images through their hard work.
--MH Illustrator 15:39, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
Uploads have now been enabled. --Dave Vanderburg 21:03, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
Great! The only question is how to handle pictures, i.e. if it is a good idea to put the images in each article, which means that most articles with pictures could act as spoilers. In this case it would be useful to put a general spoiler warning on the Main Page. Another alternative might be to put all images the user uncovers through gameplay (mainly mouse pictures) on one page and before each link to this page, we put a spoiler warning. The other (non-spoiler) images could of course be integrated in the related articles.
Any opinions? --Mulleflupp 09:29, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
I'm up for the all-purpose spoiler warning on the Main Page, since the "mouseum" idea probably wouldn't work for people who only want to see the mice they've caught. How about a link on the silhouetted image pages, leading to the images of their revealed versions? "Spoiler: Go [here] to unveil this mouse.", for example. Still, I'm definitely in favor of the Main Page warning. Leaving all of the articles with silhouettes doesn't sound very Wiki-like.
Is anybody else still unable to upload? --Revengeance 18:44, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Yep, the "File uploads are disabled on MHWiki." is still there. As long as this is the case, we don't have to worry abuot the spoiler warning. --Mulleflupp 09:10, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
I am not able to upload, though I think the site needs pictures, even if they are a spoiler, Is there a mouse-over that we can use to avoid the spoiler issue? --Sokolok 15:37, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
I am unable to upload files. I need this feature of the wiki to continue work in my Sandbox. Eepeng 07:02, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
I can't upload atm :) Daworm 11:21, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
This'll be fixed soon yes? I wanna do a couple of things but need image uploads :D Daworm 05:25, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

If HitGrab does not want to reveal the image i guess they will never put that option available. --Cizagna 23:56, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Well they said it should be resolved... at the least allow upload but state no mouse images to be uploaded... and just means some volunteer sysops need to trawl added images :) Daworm 01:13, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
  • This place needs more visual stimulus and less morons who can't construct a coherent sentence. The developer's really need to take control of this thing. Revengeance 07:16, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
    • Fewer morons, not less. (( :-p )) So what's with the upload option? Still seems to be disabled. -- B.Rossow talkcontr 15:19, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
      • That second sentence needs an introductory comma. Pobody's nerfect. :P Revengeance 17:37, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
        • No, it really doesn't, at least not according to the Chicago Manual of Style. Here's a link: Chicago Style Q&A: Commas. Can you tell I'm bored at work on the Friday before Christmas? LOL! (You'll notice I didn't point out how a certain someone used an apostrophe to make a plural in that same entry. :p) -- B.Rossow talkcontr 18:08, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
          • So "No, it doesn't" shouldn't have a comma, either? Can you let an even argument rest now? Revengeance 10:52, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
  • LOL! Who's arguing? Was just bored at the office and putting my degree in English to work for a change. It's all good. :-) -- B.Rossow talkcontr 15:33, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Status ?

Just wondering what the status is of image uploads. I mean, what is so hard about it? Or is it the risk of pr0n images being uploaded or something?

Spoiler warning: main page only?

Throughout this site you'll find information normally discovered through gameplay. If you prefer to discover everything on your own, this site may affect your enjoyment of the game.

After spending some significant time working on another game-related wiki, I've come to the conclusion that spoiler warnings on individual pages on a game-related site are silly. Anyone who comes here looking for information is daft if they don't expect to see spoilers without being warned on each page. The notice on the other site is atop the main page only, floated in a box to the right of the intro text as you see here. Thoughts? -- B.Rossow talkcontr 15:26, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

I think that'll fit in nicely on the main page floated to the right. If you come to the wiki and see something you shouldn't, it's your own fault. But a main "warning" at the top of the main page never hurts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DaWorm (talkcontribs) 02:23, 1 February 2009
I rather like the idea of having a single warning because nobody comes here without expecting spoilers. It looks nicer, too. - Frostlight 03:40, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
It's been a week and there are no voiced objections, so I'm going to go ahead and make the change. Please feel free to help out by removing the spoiler template from any pages you come across. In the meantime, I'm going to blank the template so visually it will have no effect. -- B.Rossow talkcontr 03:43, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
I don't have a general objection, but the crafting page is linked directly from Mouse Hunt so i think it should have a warning. If there are any other direct links there should be warnings there too as people can get there without seeing the main page.--Meurquidi 04:08, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Expanding on my reply to you on my Talk page, players can get to ANY page without seeing the main page. If they go directly to the Crafting page, whether from the game itself or the MH toolbar or bookmarks on their computers, they know exactly what they're going to find. No need for the warning. Ultimately, this whole site is about spoilers. People come here to find things they don't want to take the time to figure out on their own. If that wasn't the case, the site wouldn't exist. In retrospect, I think the spoiler tag was a mistake (my mistake, and I admit it) from the beginning. -- B.Rossow talkcontr 04:36, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
So it's red now? Huh. Revengeance 08:56, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
I can change it to orange if you like. ;-) -- B.Rossow talkcontr 14:59, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

MouseHunt Toolbar

I'm surprised no one has come up with the page yet. The link is here. Appreciate if someone created a page for it as it has become quite an integral part of MH with the 3 free SB+ daily. Would need to categorize it too. -- Grexx 16:17, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

  • It was already listed on the third-party tools page. Because it's no longer third-party, I moved it up a level to Related links. Not sure that it needs its own page but could certainly benefit from a description on that page. -- B.Rossow talkcontr 16:31, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
    • Oh ya thanks I saw the link now. Never thought to look there. However I was thinking of putting up more details, such as description of the options and FAQ + troubleshooting info since its a recurring topic on the MH forums. Anyways if I can find the time I'll get it done. -- Grexx 09:25, 2 February 2009 (UTC)


I am just wondering about deletions of comments, be it self or anyone elses.

I personally feel these should only happen in the event of spam, if text is there it should stay there and at the most archived out. If it is a talk page of a user, then it should be the user who managers their archiving.

Just my 2cents Daworm  -T- / -C- / -P- 08:20, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Nothing is ever truly deleted on a wiki except by a sysop. Archiving old, no longer relevant comments on article Talk pages, particularly on popular pages with a lot of discussion, makes good sense to promote discussion and make it easier for people to participate. Anyone interested in old news can simply go to the page archive (if one was created, as on this page -- see link at top) or page history and look for an older revision. As far as user Talk pages go, I don't see a problem with people "archiving" their own comments that are no longer relevant or have already been addressed, at least as long as theirs were the only comments within a particular section (for example, as I recently removed from Dave's talk page, which may or may not have prompted your comments here). IMHO, of course. -- B.Rossow talkcontr 14:24, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
It did prompt my comments, I've seen it off and on with other wiki's and addressed the same thing. If I make a comment on any page, I leave it until such a time that archiving is needed myself. Even if I'm the only one to have a discussion in it. Daworm 21:54, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
To each his own.  :-) -- B.Rossow talkcontr 00:39, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Nonbreaking space

Just a quick heads-up — the reason for the nonbreaking spaces before the bullets is to keep the bullet with the previous item in case of line wrap. On smaller displays, the lines wrap and the bullet can be forced to the next line, which isn't good purely from an aesthetic standpoint. I re-added them, so I hope this explains why. :-) -- B.Rossow talkcontr 13:59, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Ah, the thought never crossed my mind since I've never had any display issues. Good design put in, whoever added it in the first place -- Grexx 14:03, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
How about using the the <nobr> tag rather than using so many &nbsp;? --Lukas krs 04:28, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
We're not trying to prevent text wrap; that could cause serious display issues for lower-resolution displays or smaller browser windows. By using the nonbreaking space we don't have to anticipate what someone's particular browser preferences are -- larger default fonts, smaller window, etc. This provides flexibility without sacrificing aesthetics. -- B.Rossow talkcontr 04:40, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

You Can Help!

Just a quick note on this new box on the main page. Several other dedicated editors and myself are aware of needs and shortcomings of the wiki, but we don't always have the resources or, frankly, the energy to do it all. In an effort to encourage more people to contribute to the wiki, I've added a very visible "You Can Help!" box to the main page. I have not yet created any pages to be linked from it and will likely not do so until tomorrow or possibly the weekend, but I wanted the teaser out there to at least pique some interest and hopefully encourage people to check back to find out what it's all about.

I'm picturing a very small number of pages, each with a very specific purpose. This list is not complete or even well thought out, but I hope it's a conversation starter:

  • Pages for this "side project" should be kept out of the main namespace. Instead, I propose that by consensus we come up with a new namespace to be used, similar to "Template:" or "MHWiki" — or if not a new namespace altogether, then for sure under the MHWiki namespace. There are various reasons for this, but the primary one is to keep these project pages from showing up in a basic search from the search box at left.
  • Pages would be along the lines of "Wiki Editing for Dummies," "Data Needed," "Images Needed," "Manual of Style," and so on. Just a few ideas off the top of my head.

The main page can always be reverted if this is a horrible idea. I'm just looking for ways not only to get the information we need (that's really the driving force behind this idea, truth be told) but also to involve more people in the process of building the wiki and provide from proactive guidance instead of teaching people after the fact that they need to sign their comments, proofread their entries, use the Preview button, etc. Thoughts? -- B.Rossow talkcontr 03:48, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

I second the motion since it is a good idea
1) for getting a) attention [fits smoothly on the welcome page :) thanx], b) the information the wiki needs, c) more people (hopefully) who are willing to participate... and
2) it also could create something like a shared sandbox where things could get started or tweaked before they go public [I think many would like to contribute but don't dare to change on private pages].
Thank you for the initiative. _____m. 10:01, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
Sounds reasonable. I have a list of things that needs to be done and its not getting any lesser :P Its always good to point out and explain the basics of wiki editing, which will make it seem like a less daunting task for some. Ideally the basic list of pages and brief description of what they are about should be on a content page, which then branches out to the individual pages.
As for the shared sandbox, could probably use a simple name like Wiki Sandbox. Not sure how popular that will be though, because its not always easy for others to know what exactly you could be working on. -- Grexx 20:05, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
Had an idea for the section. I was thinking of a simple table of a list of things that need to be done, and possible projects, similar to what I have on my User Page right now, plus a link to the project/task page, and a list of people who are working on, or intend to work on it. Something like this:
Task Project Link Participants
Fact-checking FAQ and adding more articles FAQ, Talk:FAQ User:Grexx
-- Grexx 17:04, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
I think we can also come up with a page of something like Editor's Corner, with general information on editing for players who are interested in helping out. Will include pointers on previewing work, checking changes, using edit summaries etc. With the recent rush of edits with the new area, it's clear some of the editors need some guidance on how to carry out the task. -- Grexx 14:33, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Since there's been no other replies on this, we will stick with MHWiki as the namespace. The main page for this will be MHWiki:Editor's Corner, which will contain basic editing information such as previewing and change checking, list of current projects and the editors working on them etc. Further discussions on the various things we need will be on the pages such as:

  • MHWiki:Data Needed will contain the list of things that we still need to collect data on, and the individual who has taken charge of the task.
  • MHWiki:Articles needing attention will contain the list of articles that still have much to be improved upon
  • MHWiki:Data Links will contain information on where updates should be applied, ie when a new mouse is added, the various pages that will need to be updated to keep everything consistent. -- Grexx 14:57, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
I have started work on the basic page. More information is available in User:Grexx/Sandbox#Editor's Corner. Comments and suggestions should be made here to keep everything centralized. -- Grexx 17:34, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
Finally got everything done up. The only thing I didn't implement was the Data Needed article, which seemed a bit unnecessary in the end and destined for under utilization. -- Grexx 20:11, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

"Default" trap images

I noticed that trap images have varied bases and cheese. For example, some trap images have a wooden base while others have a dehydration base, and an even greater variety of cheese. Should we have a standard image, for example, [Trap]/Wood/Swiss (and for traps that need RB to work, [Trap]/Wood/RB) as to not confuse readers of the Wiki? Victor.Song 04:05, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

That's already being discussed on the Talk page for Traps here. :-) -- B.Rossow talkcontr 04:25, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Basic MH Guide

I was thinking we could make a basic but complete guide for the people who do not want to spend hours reading through all of MHWiki. Just include necessary simple things as how to play the game (ex. the hunters horn), how to progress through the game (ex. getting mew map pieces), and a few simple tips like the power type to use at locations and cheese costs at different places effecting the money you make.

Things like cheese needed for certain mice could be included in tips and link out to the recipe on the full page.

At the end there could be a note saying that if they are still having trouble with something to look through the full MHWiki for more details and tips.

I'm new, so I would've done this myself, but: 1.I don't have that much time 2.I don't know how make a new page 3.I want to make sure others know and like my idea

Thanks for reading!

Sure, it's a good idea. There's Starting out and General Path, the second of which needs major work to include the tidbits you mentioned about the cheese and traps to use at various locations. Camomiletea 16:27, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
Take a look at Location Quick Reference. Camomiletea 03:57, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Criteria for Posting as Current Event?

I don't usually touch this section, but Bryan Freeman has just posted in the News section of the forums about quite a major scam. Not sure if we want to put it up onto the wiki though. Post link here. -- Grexx 16:31, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Not sure about the criteria, but I'm going to add some news now. It can be removed later if such is the consensus. Camomiletea 04:07, 27 February 2009 (UTC)