Talk:Mice

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Missing High-Res Images

• Mobster Mouse

I started a topic on the Tavern board requesting Elf, Mobster or Leprechaun images... somebody added the Elf on here, but there was no response to the others. I also sent a personal message to Amy White requesting an image of the Master Burglar, but there was no response from her either. :/ Revengeance 14:24, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

I just sent Amy a personal message practically begging for the MB image, since she's the only one who can provide it except for the devs, who I'm pretty sure won't for whatever reason. But with as many Mobsters and Leps as have been captured, surely SOMEONE can provide these. Anyone?? -- B.Rossow ^talk_contr 17:20, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

I don't know where my head was at; someone linked to the Master Burglar image back in January and I even edited the page after it was added to replace the other low-res link. Too much too keep track of, I guess. The Lep image has also been linked, so now we're just waiting for a full-res Mobster image (700x1050) to replace the mid-size one currently linked. -- B.Rossow ^talk_contr 21:45, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Give me a few seconds to have a mobster image up :) --Chessmonkey 23:00, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Alright, images are broken right now. I'll have to wait till the devs fix them up. --Chessmonkey 23:09, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Update: Now that the images are fixed, I managed to get a good mobster pic. This can be closed now :)

Splitting Table into 2 parts

I'm thinking of splitting the table into 2 parts as was the case about a month back, with 1 table listing the common mice and the other the prize/event mice. If so, we'll be splitting 7 of the 46 mice types currently on the page (Black Widow, Elf, Hollowhead, iTunes, Leprechaun, Master Burglar, Mobster). This will make for easier reading and editing as the page is getting a little lengthy and is likely to get longer as more mice are released as the game develops. -- Grexx 07:18, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Consistency Issues

I've noticed some problems with keeping the Mouse information consistent because there are many pages that need to be updated each time with the same data when something needs to be changed. For example, the Steel Mouse that I had some trouble with earlier was shown on Steel Mouse and The Mice pages to not reside in the Meadow. However on checking Meadow page, it was shown (correctly?) to be so. If anyone can come up with a solution to this issue it would be great. -- Grexx 07:18, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

The easiest and probably most sensible solution is to only place the data in a single place: on each mouse's individual page. An alternative that would take a minor bit of coding and a more significant amount of editor education and monitoring -- and ultimately still might not look very good -- would be to make this page a series of transclusions. If the individual mice pages were formatted consistently and the infoboxes were kept inside a <noinclude> tag so they weren't being included on the page, this idea might work. I'm not in favor of it for various reasons, but it's a possibility I might be able to live with. I think the best idea is to eliminate the two middle columns (Location & Pref. Bait) from the existing table as that info can easily be found (and easily maintained) on each mouse's page. I think if this were done, it would eliminate the need to separate the prize mice as suggested in a different comment, which I would object to on the grounds that someone looking for a Leprechaun mouse in the list may not necessarily know that it is a prize mouse and thus be confused or frustrated when they can't easily find it. Sorry for the novella. -- B.Rossow ^talk_contr 07:36, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Can players give some feedback on this? What are you looking for in this page? Or is it just a springboard for you to find the Mouse you want, in which case you should probably type in the short name into the search bar :) Let us know your thoughts about this page so that we can improve it. In my opinion, the mouse description is unnecessary and adds too much bulk to the page. -- Grexx 11:05, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

I've been using it to determine where to hunt for particular mice, but now there's Cheat Sheet for that purpose. Camomiletea 16:54, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

For a start on cleaning up the page, I'll be removing the Mice Descriptions. Doubt most players come here for the description. It'll help to cut down on the page size and loading needed. -- Grexx 15:39, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

I kinda liked having the descriptions, but I agree that it's not the main reason people would come by this page to look at. Perhaps the more important bit of information would be the power type of these mice. I think it fits nicely here with information on where to find them, their cheese preferences and then also power types - all important hunting information. Camomiletea 00:26, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Did a quick conversion from the in-game text to power types. Always open to ideas for further improvement on the page. -- Grexx 13:23, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

I've recently been using the page to quickly compare the point and gold values for mice. When i first started, i used the page to figure out the names of the mice that were just question marks. This is why I also think it is important to have a page where they are listed in the order of the All Mice page.-- Jimmy 00:52, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

As per my reply to Camomiletea on table width in Talk:Mice#Table Width, I don't see the reason for having the points and gold column here because making a direct comparison between all mice and gold/points doesn't serve any useful purpose and raises the page size and loading times.

As for the shadows, you can design a mini table with the list of mice as laid out in the in-game display, but it will take some work to maintain each time new mice are added since they sometimes slot weaker mice in early, like the Hapless. It can then either be in the Cheat Sheet, Mice article, or in a new page of it's own if it really needed. -- Grexx 07:02, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Mouse Loot Drop Frequency

I've noticed that Dave actually added the frequency of loot drops for the various mice (less the more recent forgotten types, quick random example here). I found that to be extremely useful information. Unfortunately, it seems that all that information has been lost in successive edits. I'd like for editors to assist in recovering that information and putting it back into the respective mouse page. Please maintain a completed task list here so that we can avoid duplicating each others' work.

Thus far, I've gone through the history of:

• Dwarf Mouse (History has been thoroughly checked) -- 14:55, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
• Abominable Snow Mouse (No edits by Dave, also thoroughly checked for any lost information) -- 14:55, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
• Archer Mouse (No edits by Dave, checked for lost info) -- 19:26, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Editors are advised to look through Dave Vanderburg's edits or the respective mouse page history. Please be aware that Dave is a Developer of MouseHunt so we assume that all information provided by him is correct. -- Grexx 15:05, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Here's a link to Dave's contributions, in case it helps: Special:Contributions/Dave Vanderburg. -- B.Rossow ^talk_contr 15:50, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Just looked at the example you added and it appears that the loot info wasn't completely lost, simply moved to the infobox. Frequency is indeed missing, however. -- B.Rossow ^talk_contr 16:10, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Yup it's the frequency info I was referring to. Its invaluable information that Dave has released into the wiki that I'm surprised it was all edited out. We all know how tight they are with revealing certain aspects of gameplay too. I was looking for relevant info regarding the Gnawnia Pages in the Dwarf pages and chanced upon that, and started looking around the other mice and noticed the loss of information. -- Grexx 16:28, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

I added drop frequencies for Black Widow, Hollowhead, Zombie, White and Vampire based on Dave's edits.Camomiletea 21:52, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Added drop frequencies for Steel, Ninja and Monster. Camomiletea 05:21, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Added drop frequencies for Granite, Bionic and Mole mice. Camomiletea 05:58, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Ditto Lycan Mouse. Camomiletea 06:24, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Ditto Burglar Mouse. Camomiletea 14:37, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Ditto Grey and Brown. Camomiletea 06:36, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Ok I've gone through all remaining pages using the A-Z on the Mice page. Only edit left was to the Mummy Mouse. The task is considered complete. Thanks for the help again Camomiletea :) -- Grexx 13:32, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Note of Caution

Fellow editors, when adding information about loot drops, please avoid any terms that are specific about the drop frequency. The only frequency information that is correct are those added by the Developers. For all other drops without frequency info, a simple "Mouse may drop loot" format will do. A good example of this is the Radioactive Blue Cheese Curd Potion page. No frequency information is available for corrupted potions, and thus excluded.

Please also assist in checking that casual editors do not inadvertently add frequency information in either, thanks! -- Grexx 11:26, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Ancient cheese and preferences

There's clearly some mice that need their cheese preference changed to something along the lines of "RB and Ancient" or "Ancient followed by RB" or whatever. Now, the claim I've heard is that Forgotten mice like Ancient cheese better, while Shadow mice prefer Radioactive Blue, but I'm not sure we have evidence for this. -- Pakaran 19:46, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Redundancy

I'm looking at all the mice pages, and I'm noticing 2 links to the image. Isn't that a bit unnecessary? Assassin Mouse for example, has A heading of original image at the bottom, and a external image link on the table to the right. Can we get rid of one of these? --Geneth 00:57, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

I believe it is in preparation for the occasions when the developers release special editions of the mouse, such as the Dwarf Mouse. It is probably on each page for consistency across the mice pages, which is why there seems to be redundancy for some mice since not all have special editions. -- Grexx 03:53, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Could we then remove the links in the table on the right and just have then under the image tab? Two links to the same image just isn't necessary. --Geneth 18:12, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Prize Mice

I think we need to mention this, but I'm not sure where. The Devs mentioned recently that only one prize mouse can be caught every 30 days. --Navarr 20:21, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

I put it in this article for now. It would be nice to have an article dedicated to prize mice. -- Camomiletea 20:43, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

This doesn't appear to be accurate, as I've seen someone's profile which showed two Mobsters caught within a few hunts. The dev did put in a disclaimer "Don't hold me to it" when speaking of the limitation... -- Camomiletea 02:48, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Table Width

With the two new columns of Max Points and Min Gold, the table is too wide. Could we let those two heading wrap to reduce the width? Any other suggestions? -- Camomiletea 02:39, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

To be honest I don't see any need for those 2 columns at all. Not much use comparing all the points and gold of all the mice. The way the game is laid out, the important thing to look out for is the location. The balance for the gold and points is actually in the percentage of the mice in a location. I'm waiting for a good reason to keep them, if not I'll be removing them in due time. -- Grexx 06:40, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

I personally think that those to columns are pretty much the only chance any MHer will ever have to compare those 2 important stats off all mice in the game - up-to-date !!!!
So I would be rather sad to see it go. Just my 0,02€ (;]) _____m. 08:52, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Although it is pretty nifty to be able to compare the points and gold rewards of all mice, it is also rather pointless since there's just no way they'll ever see those mice in a single in-game location anyway. Unless the developers suddenly try to make an alternate dimension where hunters can catch all kinds of mice. But that's just crazy talk. :D --Mikeyco 09:00, 11 March 2009 (UTC)