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::I would regard it as a player milestone and not something important to the game, thus I agree with Hyperchao that it doesn't belong in the timeline article. -- [[User:Grexx|Grexx]] 07:49, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
 
::I would regard it as a player milestone and not something important to the game, thus I agree with Hyperchao that it doesn't belong in the timeline article. -- [[User:Grexx|Grexx]] 07:49, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
 
:::Removed until a compelling argument to (re)include it is given. --[[User:Hyperchao|Hyperchao]] 10:22, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
 
:::Removed until a compelling argument to (re)include it is given. --[[User:Hyperchao|Hyperchao]] 10:22, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
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::::I think its crazy you don't acknowledge the significant achievement of the first person to hit 100 million points.  Part of this game is acknowledgment of achievement.  The scoreboard is fleeting, the time line should have an ability to truly recognize people who make land marks in the game.
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::::Especially Jennifer, to take away the recognition discourages others to try and achieve and pass her.  If there is no motivation to be #1 people will loose there drive to play the game.  You have to play to the competitive spirit and legacy of online gamers.
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::::Go look at Jenn's corkboard when she hit 100M and tell me its not important to the significance of the game. -SirKillaMouse 21:05, 14 January 2010
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:::::I think it's crazy that we not record the top player of the day, week, fortnight, month, quarter, year? Why stop at 100m points, let's do 101m, 102m, 103m, 105m. What about the 2nd and 3rd place, why are we leaving them out?! Simply put, it is an insignificant aspect of the game ''as a whole'' to have to record what a player scores at a point in time. That's what the [[Scoreboard]] is for. Even then, it is only of moderate importance to ''some'' players who are aiming to hit the top X on scoreboard.
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:::::The entry not appearing in [[Timeline]] has zero effect on their gameplay, and it certainly does not make players 'loose' their drive to play the game, simply because the top few scorers will always exist, and everyone else will always be below them. Only the names change. In short, it is of little significance to the game. -- [[User:Grexx|Grexx]] 07:04, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
  
 
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::Started work on it, partway through till July 2008 and working upwards from the earliest records. Will get to the rest at a later time. -- [[User:Grexx|Grexx]] 17:10, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
 
::Started work on it, partway through till July 2008 and working upwards from the earliest records. Will get to the rest at a later time. -- [[User:Grexx|Grexx]] 17:10, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
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==Including Year in Month sections==
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There is going to be an issue that's going to crop up as time passes. Due to the way wiki links work, sections with the exact same titles are appended with '_X', with X representing the number of times the section title has been used. For example, if I wanted to link to 2009 March, it would be [[Timeline#March]]. For 2008 March it would be [[Timeline#March_2]], since it is the 2nd time the word 'March' has appeared as a title. Now the problem is when we hit 2010 March, any previous links to [[Timeline#March]] would now refer to 2010 March instead.
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This will be very bad for linking since the landing points will be incorrect over time, so I'm proposing that we add the year into the section titles. What I can't decide on is whether we should use 2 digit or 4 digit years, ie '10, 10, or 2010. Let me have your comments on this. -- [[User:Grexx|Grexx]] 19:12, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
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:I would prefer 4 digit years, but it probably won't matter if we chose 2 digit, because we aren't likely to get dates where the third digit becomes significant. -- [[User:Camomiletea|Camomiletea]] 19:49, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
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:: How about put DIV beside the year and the month. Format will be only 4 digit YEAR for the year. Combined 4 digit YEAR and 2 digit Month for the month. Example.
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:: <nowiki>==2009<div id=2009></div>==
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:: <nowiki>===November<div id=200901></div>===</nowiki>
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:: to access year <nowiki>[[Timeline#2009]]</nowiki> and month <nowiki>[[Timeline#200911]]</nowiki>
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::[[User:Pus|Pus]] 20:36, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
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:::Div for every years and months have been added. [[User:Pus|Pus]] 02:40, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
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::::Appreciate the initiative Pus, but would have been better if a little more discussion was done before any changes put in. There's another issue I just noticed, that linking and bringing readers to a month gives little indication of which year it is in unless the month so happened to be near to the year section header (ie Jan, Dec). Ultimately I think it is still best to include the year into a title. This way readers won't be lost when linked from elsewhere on the MH Wiki. As it stands, it is quite jarring with little visual indicators. -- [[User:Grexx|Grexx]] 04:50, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
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:Made the change using 4 digit year. -- [[User:Camomiletea|camomiletea]] 19:59, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
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== Time Zone? ==
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So which time zone are we counting in here? The Dev's time zone (GMT-5) or GMT or what? [[User:Victor.Song|Victor.Song]][[User_talk:Victor.Song|<font color="green"><sup>talk</sup></font>]] 20:21, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
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:I think it should be Dev's time zone. -- [[User:Camomiletea|camomiletea]] 02:17, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
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== Milestones ==
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I see a lot of items like "First hunter achieves Countess rank" and more noticeably "Mousehunt reaches 100,000 active daily users" that don't fit well with the timeline. I suggest we split it up into the regular [[Timeline]] page that we have now and another [[Milestones]] or History page to highlight the achievements instead of burying them within the hundreds of timeline items. -- [[User:Victor.Song|Victor.Song]][[User_talk:Victor.Song|<font color="green"><sup>talk</sup></font>]] 23:29, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
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:I like the idea of a [[Milestones]] page. We should start one soon. Who wants to do it? --&nbsp;[[User:S18067|S18067]]&nbsp;<sup style='margin-right:-11px'>[[User_talk:S18067|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/S18067|contr]]</sub> 05:35, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
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== Zugzwang's Left Sock ==
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Does anyone know when this appeared in the Marketplace menu first?
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I've got no clue what it is, but I think we should note it here. --&nbsp;[[User:S18067|S18067]]&nbsp;<sup style='margin-right:-11px'>[[User_talk:S18067|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/S18067|contr]]</sub> 15:36, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
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:I put it in [[Marketplace]] article when it appeared. same date - 26 August... -- [[User:Camomiletea|camomiletea]] 16:08, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
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::Thanks --&nbsp;[[User:S18067|S18067]]&nbsp;<sup style='margin-right:-11px'>[[User_talk:S18067|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/S18067|contr]]</sub> 16:16, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
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== MouseHunt on Hi5 ==
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Anyone know when MouseHunt was introduced on Hi5? I think it would be a significant thing to add on the timeline. Looking at the top player on the scoreboard, it must have been at least as early as 16 October 2010. -- [[User:Camomiletea|camomiletea]] 23:09, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 23:12, 3 November 2010

Missing Information

  • Dates and acknowledgement of the discovery of crafting recipes.
  • Ancient Box Trap's release date, I suspect it is August 11th.
Preliminary date added; if proof can be found of earlier existence, please update. --Hyperchao 23:52, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

The introduction of the MH Wiki should be included too, since it is quite an integral part of the game for many players. The earliest date I can find of the Main Page is 12 Sept 2008. If there's no issue with that date, it will be regarded as the start date. -- Grexx 12:00, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

References

It would be nice to add references to the time line. I'm not a wiki expert and wasn't able to get this working so for now i'll list them here. --Le6o 18:41, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

6th October 2008 - Almost out of our midnight oil

100M points

Is there any gameplay significance of this milestone, or was this arbitrarily added due to it being a large number? If it is the latter, I would like to remove the 10/21 post. --Hyperchao 02:01, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

It's just an arbitrary number, but we *are* counting in base 10 here, so the event of someone passing the 9 digit mark is important to most. Victor.Song 04:23, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
I would regard it as a player milestone and not something important to the game, thus I agree with Hyperchao that it doesn't belong in the timeline article. -- Grexx 07:49, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Removed until a compelling argument to (re)include it is given. --Hyperchao 10:22, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
I think its crazy you don't acknowledge the significant achievement of the first person to hit 100 million points. Part of this game is acknowledgment of achievement. The scoreboard is fleeting, the time line should have an ability to truly recognize people who make land marks in the game.
Especially Jennifer, to take away the recognition discourages others to try and achieve and pass her. If there is no motivation to be #1 people will loose there drive to play the game. You have to play to the competitive spirit and legacy of online gamers.
Go look at Jenn's corkboard when she hit 100M and tell me its not important to the significance of the game. -SirKillaMouse 21:05, 14 January 2010
I think it's crazy that we not record the top player of the day, week, fortnight, month, quarter, year? Why stop at 100m points, let's do 101m, 102m, 103m, 105m. What about the 2nd and 3rd place, why are we leaving them out?! Simply put, it is an insignificant aspect of the game as a whole to have to record what a player scores at a point in time. That's what the Scoreboard is for. Even then, it is only of moderate importance to some players who are aiming to hit the top X on scoreboard.
The entry not appearing in Timeline has zero effect on their gameplay, and it certainly does not make players 'loose' their drive to play the game, simply because the top few scorers will always exist, and everyone else will always be below them. Only the names change. In short, it is of little significance to the game. -- Grexx 07:04, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Great Winter Hunt '09

Please explain the addition of "New Crafting Items become availiable." I have not seen anything new, nor have I read about anything new.--Niehusa

The issue of Privacy and Consent

I have just noticed that quite a number of player names and links are currently included on the Timeline article. A couple of points to ponder on:

  • Is there a need to include the names at all? Would it make a difference to the article if it said "January 25: Player X catches the first XYZ Mouse.", versus "January 25: The first XYZ Mouse is caught by players.", or "January 25: XYZ were first released on this day."
  • Have these players been contacted and agreed to have their names included here, and by whom? I highly doubt any have been contacted. While some might have decided to participate in one of the numerous "First to catch XYZ Mouse" discussions, that does not imply consent elsewhere.
  • How verifiable and accurate are any of the first to do/find/catch X thing entries, other than the top few players reaching the next available rank.

My take on this is that all names should be scrubbed out, and replaced with more standard "X Mice were first caught on Date" style and similar. Let me know your comments, if any. -- Grexx 19:08, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

I second the notion. _m. 21:09, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
Started work on it, partway through till July 2008 and working upwards from the earliest records. Will get to the rest at a later time. -- Grexx 17:10, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Including Year in Month sections

There is going to be an issue that's going to crop up as time passes. Due to the way wiki links work, sections with the exact same titles are appended with '_X', with X representing the number of times the section title has been used. For example, if I wanted to link to 2009 March, it would be Timeline#March. For 2008 March it would be Timeline#March_2, since it is the 2nd time the word 'March' has appeared as a title. Now the problem is when we hit 2010 March, any previous links to Timeline#March would now refer to 2010 March instead.

This will be very bad for linking since the landing points will be incorrect over time, so I'm proposing that we add the year into the section titles. What I can't decide on is whether we should use 2 digit or 4 digit years, ie '10, 10, or 2010. Let me have your comments on this. -- Grexx 19:12, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

I would prefer 4 digit years, but it probably won't matter if we chose 2 digit, because we aren't likely to get dates where the third digit becomes significant. -- Camomiletea 19:49, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
How about put DIV beside the year and the month. Format will be only 4 digit YEAR for the year. Combined 4 digit YEAR and 2 digit Month for the month. Example.
==2009<div id=2009></div>== :: <nowiki>===November<div id=200901></div>===
to access year [[Timeline#2009]] and month [[Timeline#200911]]
Pus 20:36, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
Div for every years and months have been added. Pus 02:40, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
Appreciate the initiative Pus, but would have been better if a little more discussion was done before any changes put in. There's another issue I just noticed, that linking and bringing readers to a month gives little indication of which year it is in unless the month so happened to be near to the year section header (ie Jan, Dec). Ultimately I think it is still best to include the year into a title. This way readers won't be lost when linked from elsewhere on the MH Wiki. As it stands, it is quite jarring with little visual indicators. -- Grexx 04:50, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
Made the change using 4 digit year. -- camomiletea 19:59, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Time Zone?

So which time zone are we counting in here? The Dev's time zone (GMT-5) or GMT or what? Victor.Songtalk 20:21, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

I think it should be Dev's time zone. -- camomiletea 02:17, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Milestones

I see a lot of items like "First hunter achieves Countess rank" and more noticeably "Mousehunt reaches 100,000 active daily users" that don't fit well with the timeline. I suggest we split it up into the regular Timeline page that we have now and another Milestones or History page to highlight the achievements instead of burying them within the hundreds of timeline items. -- Victor.Songtalk 23:29, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

I like the idea of a Milestones page. We should start one soon. Who wants to do it? -- S18067 talkcontr 05:35, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Zugzwang's Left Sock

Does anyone know when this appeared in the Marketplace menu first?

I've got no clue what it is, but I think we should note it here. -- S18067 talkcontr 15:36, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

I put it in Marketplace article when it appeared. same date - 26 August... -- camomiletea 16:08, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
Thanks -- S18067 talkcontr 16:16, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

MouseHunt on Hi5

Anyone know when MouseHunt was introduced on Hi5? I think it would be a significant thing to add on the timeline. Looking at the top player on the scoreboard, it must have been at least as early as 16 October 2010. -- camomiletea 23:09, 3 November 2010 (UTC)